What your youngest child does is merely a reflection of his parent. Nothing more, nothing less.

Smoke an mirrors? Can you say Pollard? Can you say AIPAC? Can yo usay phoney Mossad agents posing as al Qaeda cells in Paelstine?

Tell me when to stop.

The other evidence will also never be seen, and this is believable.

Evidence that no one can see and a witness no one can know. And this is your proof. Something about clutching at straws?

Other than the Lavon affair, which was in Egypt and 50 years ago, the others were all smoke and mirrors. Not proof of anything. To use an event that occured 50 years ago is definately clutching at straws.

What was that you said about real peopel admiring Israel?

The transcript from the EC-121 will never be seen because it is classified. Is it that hard for oyu to fathon that the reason the one you linked to was declassified was becasue it was not incriminating?

Former Intelligence agents rarely tell tall tales Chris because they can too easily be refuted. Have you read the Beamford's book, Body of Secrets, or are you just guessing to it's contents?

I will most certainly be reading it when I have the chance.

I am not surprised you choose not to believe these arguments. It would turn your world upside down to aknowledge that this is how ruthlessly Israel has been in pursuit of it's interests. You are clutching at straws.

Whether it was the USS Liberty or the Lavon Affair (aka Suzanna Project), or the israeli spy scandals that have rocked the US, Israel has long exhibited a willingness to even step all over it's main benefactor in persuti if it's own interests – and often taking this to extremes.

Pretty much a tall tale as you have relayed it.

The best is the pilot with no name. I sure believed him.

The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/…

USS Liberty – Israeli Pilot Speaks Up http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm

According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

You suggestion that Israel had everyt righ to enter those terriroties to engage the enemy makes sense, but the war ended after 6 days. Isrel has never pulled back from those territories, so your point is entirely moot.Norman Filkenstain is one of the worlds most repsected intellects on teh issue and his debate with Shlomo Ben Ami proves that he knows as much abot he subject as anyone. His dissection of the the book on eh subject of Israel by Allan Dershowitz is internationalyl acclaimed and recognised.

Palestines clai to the land is protected under the geneva Conventions, especialyl article 49.

There really is no case for Israel with regard to the occupied territories here Chris so I don't knwo why you insist on arguing from a position of such weakness.

As the other nations involved refused to initiate peace treaty talks, there was nothing Israel could do about the lines.

As they were fighting a defensive war in 1967, they had every right to enter those areas to engage the enemy. And Jordan and Egypt had no legal right to be in those regions.

Norman Finklestein is not an expert in the field. Like you, he is a layman with an opinion.

Nothing here has been stated about the Palestinian's claim being legitimate or illegitimate, just that they are not a nation and have never been a nation.