Best-selling journalist Antony Loewenstein trav­els across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Haiti, Papua New Guinea, the United States, Britain, Greece, and Australia to witness the reality of disaster capitalism. He discovers how companies such as G4S, Serco, and Halliburton cash in on or­ganized misery in a hidden world of privatized detention centers, militarized private security, aid profiteering, and destructive mining.

Disaster has become big business. Talking to immigrants stuck in limbo in Britain or visiting immigration centers in America, Loewenstein maps the secret networks formed to help cor­porations bleed what profits they can from economic crisis. He debates with Western contractors in Afghanistan, meets the locals in post-earthquake Haiti, and in Greece finds a country at the mercy of vulture profiteers. In Papua New Guinea, he sees a local commu­nity forced to rebel against predatory resource companies and NGOs.

What emerges through Loewenstein’s re­porting is a dark history of multinational corpo­rations that, with the aid of media and political elites, have grown more powerful than national governments. In the twenty-first century, the vulnerable have become the world’s most valu­able commodity. Disaster Capitalism is published by Verso in 2015 and in paperback in January 2017.

Profits_of_doom_cover_350Vulture capitalism has seen the corporation become more powerful than the state, and yet its work is often done by stealth, supported by political and media elites. The result is privatised wars and outsourced detention centres, mining companies pillaging precious land in developing countries and struggling nations invaded by NGOs and the corporate dollar. Best-selling journalist Antony Loewenstein travels to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Haiti, Papua New Guinea and across Australia to witness the reality of this largely hidden world of privatised detention centres, outsourced aid, destructive resource wars and militarized private security. Who is involved and why? Can it be stopped? What are the alternatives in a globalised world? Profits of Doom, published in 2013 and released in an updated edition in 2014, challenges the fundamentals of our unsustainable way of life and the money-making imperatives driving it. It is released in an updated edition in 2014.
forgodssakecover Four Australian thinkers come together to ask and answer the big questions, such as: What is the nature of the universe? Doesn't religion cause most of the conflict in the world? And Where do we find hope?   We are introduced to different belief systems – Judaism, Christianity, Islam – and to the argument that atheism, like organised religion, has its own compelling logic. And we gain insight into the life events that led each author to their current position.   Jane Caro flirted briefly with spiritual belief, inspired by 19th century literary heroines such as Elizabeth Gaskell and the Bronte sisters. Antony Loewenstein is proudly culturally, yet unconventionally, Jewish. Simon Smart is firmly and resolutely a Christian, but one who has had some of his most profound spiritual moments while surfing. Rachel Woodlock grew up in the alternative embrace of Baha'i belief but became entranced by its older parent religion, Islam.   Provocative, informative and passionately argued, For God's Sakepublished in 2013, encourages us to accept religious differences, but to also challenge more vigorously the beliefs that create discord.  
After Zionism, published in 2012 and 2013 with co-editor Ahmed Moor, brings together some of the world s leading thinkers on the Middle East question to dissect the century-long conflict between Zionism and the Palestinians, and to explore possible forms of a one-state solution. Time has run out for the two-state solution because of the unending and permanent Jewish colonization of Palestinian land. Although deep mistrust exists on both sides of the conflict, growing numbers of Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Arabs are working together to forge a different, unified future. Progressive and realist ideas are at last gaining a foothold in the discourse, while those influenced by the colonial era have been discredited or abandoned. Whatever the political solution may be, Palestinian and Israeli lives are intertwined, enmeshed, irrevocably. This daring and timely collection includes essays by Omar Barghouti, Jonathan Cook, Joseph Dana, Jeremiah Haber, Jeff Halper, Ghada Karmi, Antony Loewenstein, Saree Makdisi, John Mearsheimer, Ahmed Moor, Ilan Pappe, Sara Roy and Phil Weiss.
The 2008 financial crisis opened the door for a bold, progressive social movement. But despite widespread revulsion at economic inequity and political opportunism, after the crash very little has changed. Has the Left failed? What agenda should progressives pursue? And what alternatives do they dare to imagine? Left Turn, published by Melbourne University Press in 2012 and co-edited with Jeff Sparrow, is aimed at the many Australians disillusioned with the political process. It includes passionate and challenging contributions by a diverse range of writers, thinkers and politicians, from Larissa Berendht and Christos Tsiolkas to Guy Rundle and Lee Rhiannon. These essays offer perspectives largely excluded from the mainstream. They offer possibilities for resistance and for a renewed struggle for change.
The Blogging Revolution, released by Melbourne University Press in 2008, is a colourful and revelatory account of bloggers around the globe why live and write under repressive regimes - many of them risking their lives in doing so. Antony Loewenstein's travels take him to private parties in Iran and Egypt, internet cafes in Saudi Arabia and Damascus, to the homes of Cuban dissidents and into newspaper offices in Beijing, where he discovers the ways in which the internet is threatening the ruld of governments. Through first-hand investigations, he reveals the complicity of Western multinationals in assisting the restriction of information in these countries and how bloggers are leading the charge for change. The blogging revolution is a superb examination about the nature of repression in the twenty-first century and the power of brave individuals to overcome it. It was released in an updated edition in 2011, post the Arab revolutions, and an updated Indian print version in 2011.
The best-selling book on the Israel/Palestine conflict, My Israel Question - on Jewish identity, the Zionist lobby, reporting from Palestine and future Middle East directions - was released by Melbourne University Press in 2006. A new, updated edition was released in 2007 (and reprinted again in 2008). The book was short-listed for the 2007 NSW Premier's Literary Award. Another fully updated, third edition was published in 2009. It was released in all e-book formats in 2011. An updated and translated edition was published in Arabic in 2012.

Jews against Jews

Daphna Baram, Jerusalem Post, March 1:

“…It seems that the more powerful the Zionism trend has become among Jews, the more hysterical its supporters have turned. They engage in constant stable-cleaning, sniffing for dissidents behind every curtain, finding non-Zionists under each cupboard…One would think that Israel was not a nuclear regional superpower possessing the fourth most powerful army in the world, but a shaky sanctuary where Jews are annihilated by the thousands every day.”

Read the whole piece.

  • Addamo

    It was said that Salin's paranoia was a self fulfilling prophecy.

    Quite a refreshing article in fact. I again reassures us that the loudest voices are nto necessarily reprensentative of the whole and that there are Israeli Jews who are indeed ashamed of the way Israel has behaved.

  • smiths

    doesnt it seem like there is just too much intellectual energy, words, speeches and conversations swirling around one group of people,
    we all have to give a fuck about american politics now,
    and we all have to keep up to date on how the jews within jews within zionism debate is going,
    its out of all proportion surely

  • Chris

    Just as all are assured there are non-jews who are ashamed, on a contiual basis, how the world has treated Israel and the Jews.

  • Chris

    Yes, there is too much.

    Here is some more:

    This url is only for people who are interested in seeing the

    real version of "Paradise Now," not the Hollywood crap

    about the sensitive, sexy, tortured Palestinian lover-boys

    who debate blowing themselves up. The real bombers

    talk about "drinking Jewish blood." But, hey now, the Jews

    of Hollywood couldn't nominate that kind of dialogue for

    an Oscar, now could they? Below, a link to Palestinian

    Media Watch, and to the real videos of suicide bombers.

    These are the people Hollywood is trying to glamorize.

  • Addamo

    Yes the world is ashamed of hwo the Jews were treates in WWII and they are ahsamed of Rawanda and Somalia etc.

    While Israel is indeed respected I woudln;t agree that the world is ahsamed of hwo they are treated. It's hard to feel sorry for a country with the worlds 4th most powerful miitary.

    I am curiosu as to whether you woudl prefer the world feel sorry for Israel or respect them as a people?

    Re the Paradise now film, are you advicating more freedom of speech to prevent the film from being included at teh Oscars?

  • Antony Loewenstein

    I think he's advocating the film be banned, or shunned, or simply damned for trying to humanise the 'other side'. After all, what is more threatening to the Zionist perspective? It's worked so well for all these years and the tables are turning. About time…

  • smiths

    hey ant, i know you read counterpunch but thought i'd link

    finkelsteins detractors doing similar kind of work to yours eh?

  • Antony Loewenstein

    Thanks for that. it's the whatever it takes mentality. Finkelstein suffers smears and attacks and threats, but his work is becoming more known around the world. The Zionist narrative is, thankfully, losing credibility.
    And yes, detractors the world over aren't especially clever, merely devious.

  • Addamo

    Wow, those Zonist nutters are workign overtime aren't they?

    So I detect some desperation here?

  • Addamo


    Thanks for the link. Great article.

  • captain

    What is the evidence that Zionism is losing credibility? This is your aspiration, Ant, not a factual statement.

    For people who are against propaganda, why are you not against pro-palestinian propaganda that glamorises death? Isn't that a tad hypocritical?

  • Chris

    I don't know. It seems there are some here that don't care what lie they tell as they feel their cause transends the need for honesty.

  • edward squire


    What is the evidence that Zionism is losing credibility?

    This is actually a good question. It is certainly something that is not easy to quantify. What does one 'count' for a start? Books available from mainstream publishers? Articles in academic journals? Newspaper articles in broadsheets? And where does one do the counting? The US, Europe and Australia? Do we include material in Asia and Africa too? Etc.

    There is also an important qualitative issue: is there something that distinguishes criticisms of Zionist ideology today, and reactions to those criticisms, from those of the past?

    I think this qualitative question needs to be dealt with before the quantitative question is answered. As a start, I would suggest that important indicators that the persuasiveness of the Zionist ideology is on the wane – or, I think more accurately, it being transformed – are the following (in no particular order, off the top of my head):

    – Aspects of the ideology – esp. the occupational, land-fetish element – is now openly criticised in Israel itself by ordinary people in the popular press (rather than by just philosophers to each other – a la Buber and Arendt).

    – In the past, the occupation had always been seen as temporary, but now it is largely seen as permanent because it is as if it is permanent. This change in interpretation doesn't reflect well on the Israeli state's intentions.

    – In the past the left had always supported the socialistic dreams associated with the kabutz, but with the near-death of socialist ideals in Israel and the replacement of the Commune with the Settlement, that support has died completely.

    – The greater awareness of human rights issues in the occupied territories combined with the fact that independent human rights agencies have taken a keen interest in the area. This awareness, and investigative probing was not as strong in the past.

    – The overly zealous attacks on critics of the occupation have not only led to critics to sharpen and broaden the scope of their criticism (e.g. the unfavourable comparison with South Africa is now a common theme), but has also led to more nuanced criticisms that make an absolutely unambiguous distinction between Jewish people and the policies of the institution of the state – and the clear assertion that criticism of the latter is in no way a criticism of the former.

    These are qualitative changes that seem to have occurred, and are basic indications that Zionism, as something that is both unquestionably desirable and unchallengable, is on the wane.

  • Chris

    All of the actions discussed occured years ago. It seems that nothing has waned and it continues to rise and fall on current events.

  • captain

    Edward, do you appreciate the difference between polemics and facts? You have offered no facts.

    Ant made the assertion. He cannot back it up.

  • Addamo

    That's seems lieka pretty superflouous argument Captain. The very nature of debate and forums, such as this one, are polemic by their very nature.

    an effective polemic will usually be supported by facts or astute observation. I think the points raised by Edward are very valid and have indeed been raised on prior threads by Antony.

  • Chris

    Here is one possible explanation why one might erroniously think support for Israel is on the wane:

    In an article published in the London Arabic daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi,

    Dr. Muhriz Al-Husseini, director of the Center for Dialogue and Research

    and editor of the U.S.-published newspaper Al-Minassa Al-'Arabiya,

    warns that religious extremism and ignorance are spreading among the young

    generation of Muslims in the U.S.

    The following are excerpts from the article:(1)

    Some Imams Brainwash Muslim Adolescents and Plant Bogus Ideas About

    Islam in Their Minds

    "At a time when Arab and Islamic leaders and organizations are

    investing great efforts and large amounts of money and time in order to improve

    the image of Islam and of the Muslims, some imams are working in an

    organized manner to brainwash adolescents in the Muslim community and to

    plant bogus ideas in their minds concerning Islam, jihad, takfir

    [accusing other Muslims of apostasy], heresy and the way [Muslim] society has

    strayed from the right path. They give them interpretations of Koranic

    verses that have been [deliberately] chosen so as to lead them to rebel

    against their parents, their families, and even against the society in

    which they live.

    "[The youths] neglect their studies and spend their time watching

    videotapes and listening to audio tapes – most of which are given to them

    for free – on ways to train Muslim youth in military and ideological

    jihad, along with reports on the suffering of Muslims in some Muslim

    countries, as well as Koranic verses and sermons that encourage jihad,

    martyrdom, self-sacrifice, and the striking of terror into the hearts of the


    "Many Muslims Families are at Risk of Falling Apart"

    "The natural consequence of these misleading actions is that many

    Muslim families are at risk of falling apart because of the wrong turn that

    their children's religious thinking has taken. Some of these youths –

    victims [of religious brainwashing] – are awaiting trial, and some are

    serving time in juvenile prisons or are under close and continuous

    security surveillance, since they relate to others with aggression and are

    trying to spread [Islam] through violence and calls to jihad…

    "There are agents of various nationalities – both Arab and non-Arab –

    who mingle with these adolescents and choose from among them individuals

    with specific traits that make them susceptible to brainwashing – young

    people who have a natural tendency for misbehavior and who accept

    violence as a means of imposing their views and their way."

    "The Most Important Criteria for Choosing These Youths are: Propensity

    for Rebellion, Lack of Fluency in Arabic, and Feelings of Alienation"

    "[These agents] then pass them on to religious propagandists, who live

    in a number of American cities. The most important criteria for

    choosing these youths are their natural propensity for rebellion, their lack

    of fluency in Arabic… [and] their feelings of alienation and suffering

    due to their indeterminate identity – that is, [their] identity that is

    neither Eastern nor Western, but split…

    "Under the influence of bogus religious ideas, [these youth] are struck

    with a feeling of rejection of their surroundings – rejection of their

    families and society. At a later [stage], their relations with their

    parents and their friends go bad; they shatter the sculptures in their

    homes, rip the paintings off the walls, and destroy the television sets –

    since, in their opinion, these are satanic tools that inculcate heresy,

    polytheism, and deviation from religion and the shari'a. They demand

    that their fathers… wear special pants and robes, let their beards grow

    long, and comb their hair in accordance with the sunna. They insist

    that their mothers wear a headscarf, or even a full veil, and that they

    refrain from leaving the house. All of this occurs not in their Arab

    countries of origin, but in some families [that live] in the U.S.!"

    Such Youth are Not Familiar With Even the Basic Principles of Islam

    "In order to uncover the causes of this phenomenon, that has been

    presented to the reader without any exaggeration… I met with a young man

    whose thought and behavior exemplify this phenomenon, in order to hear

    his views, the justifications for his behavior, and his understanding of

    the basic principles of the religion… I discovered that he was not

    familiar with even the basic principles of Islam… and that in matters

    of Islamic thought and teachings he knows by heart only a few verses

    from the 'Al-Anfal' and 'Al-Tawbah' chapters [of the Koran] – in

    particular, the verses concerning jihad, takfir, infidels, striking terror into

    the hearts of the enemy, and the establishment of a [Muslim military]


    "He insisted that the fundamental obligation of every Muslim in his

    life is to fight against the infidels – both Muslim and non-Muslim. When I

    asked him how he defines an infidel, he answered without hesitation:

    whoever fails to fulfill the obligation of jihad. When I asked him

    against whom the jihad should be directed, he answered, again without

    hesitation: the jihad should be directed against the infidels. When I tried to

    understand who, in his opinion, are infidels, he said: Everyone who

    does not believe in the truth that I believe in.

    "When I heard these things, I realized the horrible disaster that might

    befall Islam and the Muslims in America and in other countries with

    [Muslim] immigration, if the young generation of Muslim youth were to

    embrace these ideas…

    "The painful truth is that such a young man – only 16 years old – who

    doesn't have any life experience, any true knowledge in matters of

    religion, or any solid criteria for understanding the fundamentals of

    religious law and shari'a – is a victim of circumstances that he did not

    create. He is a young man who has tried to find an identity for himself in

    religion, and was given incorrect interpretations of the monotheistic

    revelations. He received his knowledge from people whom he considers

    authorities in religion and religious law… and at the same time, he does

    not find anyone who can correct his views and his understanding.

    Therefore, he is convinced that the way to eternal life and Paradise is

    through jihad [alone]…

    "Who is responsible for this tragedy? Who gives material support to

    these religious propagandists and agents? Why do they spend all this

    money? Does this approach serve the interests of Islam and the Muslims, or

    does it serve the interests of others?…"

    The Muslim Community Blames the U.S. Security Services – Both if They

    Intervene and if They Stay Away From the Mosques

    "It is worth mentioning the dilemma of the American security services

    that face this dangerous phenomenon… If the security services stay

    away from the mosques and do not meddle in their affairs, the Muslim

    community will complain that the security services take no interest in the

    fate of their children and that they are intentionally allowing

    religious propagandists to lead the youth astray, confuse their thinking, and

    ruin their futures… On the other hand, if the security services

    interfere, the Muslim community will again complain, and will express its

    opposition to the interference of the American security services in the

    mosques' affairs, in the work of the propagandists, and in the spreading

    of Islam, and will condemn the harming of freedom of religion and


    One of the Causes Preventing Effective Treatment is the School of

    Thought That Believes in Conspiracy Theories

    "Without a doubt, there are many interrelated causes that prevent this

    phenomenon from being dealt with realistically and effectively… One

    of the most important causes is the existence of a school of thought

    that believes in conspiracy theories. It [claims] that there are hidden

    forces that abhor and fear the development of Islam and of the Muslims in

    America. These forces are trying to distort the image of the Muslims

    before they grow strong, and before their influence in society grows.

    Some go even further, and say that these forces are trying to turn the

    idea of the clash between Western and Eastern civilizations into reality,

    by nurturing the causes and justifications for this clash, and by

    creating a new generation of Muslims that act in an extremist and violent

    manner… The natural outcome of this [conspiratorial] way of thinking is

    that the Muslim community mobilizes its efforts and its thinking

    towards a struggle against some vague external enemy…

    "There is no doubt that this phenomenon, which is spreading in the

    Muslim community in America, places an enormous responsibility upon the

    members of the community itself, and especially upon the parents and those

    in positions of authority, who allow their children's thinking and

    behavior to become easy prey for others…

    "This responsibility requires parents to not allow their young children

    to participate unaccompanied in religious gatherings. Instead, they

    should go with them to hear what they are told in the mosques. They should

    thoroughly investigate the biographies and views of religious preachers

    in the mosques, and should demand… the removal of anyone who distorts

    religion, distorts the interpretation [of religion], and leads the

    youth astray."

    Parents, Not Security Services or Educational and Religious

    Institutions, are Responsible for Cultivating a Mature, Realistic and Reasonable


    "This responsibility requires the building of a bridge of dialogue with

    the youth, and requires giving them a [positive] example, both in

    thought and in behavior. The crisis of identity should be discussed

    objectively, rationally, and in a language that the youth can understand, and

    they should be guided in how best to deal with life in America and its

    demands… Parents need to get to know their children's friends and

    everyone they mingle with, at school and in their free time… They need to

    monitor everything that their children see on the computer…

    "[Responsibility for] the education and cultivation of a new generation

    that will be [mature], realistic and reasonable, in countries with

    [Muslim] immigration, lies on the shoulders of the parents and the family –

    more than on any security service or religious or educational



    (1) Al-Quds Al-'Arabi (London), January 30, 2006.

  • Chris

    And we should not forget the American love affair with Israel, to wit:

    Results 1 – 10 of about 11,600 for "america loves Israel"

    An interesting article both praising and damning Israel, but mostly praising.

  • Chris

    For fun, I did another search:

    Results 1 – 10 of about 88 for "america hates Israel".

    88 against 11,600.

  • Addamo

    Well, that's harldy a poll is it, but never mind. There are other variations of affection that reside between love and hate.

    Just found this delightful example of religious tolerance.

    Marzel to beauty queen: Don't marry a goy

    United Jewish Front leader begs local beauty queen Linor Aberjil not to marry her boyfriend, non-Jewish NBA player Sarunas Jasikevicius, and 'divorce the Jewish people',7340,L-3223268

  • captain

    Addamo, despite your lack of familiarity with nuclear physics, you seem to be on safer ground there than you are with your anecdote above. Religious tolerance dictates that you can have whatever belief you like and it doesn't bother me unless it makes demands on me. Each religion has its own belief set about what is moral conduct and this includes marriage. You would not appreciate what it means in a spiritual or religious sense for a Jew to marry a non Jew. It is you who displays intolerance for Jewish practices.

    More than not you are explaining away Muslim violence and intolerance. You lack the capacity to see that Islam imposes itself on non-Muslims. This is where the real intolerance is (apart from yourself of course.)

  • Addamo


    My dear fellow, how long is this dummy spit going to continue. What a fragile little ego you must have to feel compelled to make baseless insults at every opportunity. Obviously you don't kindly to being rhetorically bitch slapped. I have to hand it to you, like a true battler, you just keep coming back for more.

    Please enlighten me on what the spiritual or religious consequences of a Jew marrying a non Jew. How does it differ from religious bigotry and intolerance that exists in any other religion. I agree entirely that each religion has its own belief set about what is moral conduct, but one should add that much of this comes down to interpretation and the degree to which these moral dictates are applied.

    This is the first time I have heard a marriage outside the religion referred to a ‘divorce the Jewish people’.

    Sure you, as the grand master of nuance, can appreciate that.

    I am not explaining anything other than linking to an amusing article that proves extremis and fundamentalism exists in all spheres of religion.

    The only Jewish practices I am intolerant towards involve murder and brutality towards unarmed people.

  • Addamo

    Yet more fine examples of Israeli tolerance and moderation.

    Israeli Couple Attacks Christian Shrine

    Israel threatens to assassinate the future Palestinian Authority prime minister

    Who are the extremists supposed to be again?

  • Chris

    Hamas. How quickly you forget when distracted by a bauble.

  • orang

    From your link;
    "Avi Dichter, a former Shin Bet chief tipped as the next defence minister if Kadima wins the March 28 elections in Israel, said that Ismail Haniyeh should not consider himself "immune" once he takes over the Palestinian Authority government."

    See the nobility? He's threatening to assassinate the elected leader of the Palestinians. Would you call it arrogance? If the Iranian looney said something like that, hoo boy,..

    This reminds me;
    [Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, a Gush Emunim leader] explains that while God requires other, normal nations to abide by abstract codes of "justice and righteousness," such laws do not apply to Jews."

    Because…?….oh right…chosen…….Holocaust……..yep, got it.

  • captain

    Arrogance to want to kill a murderer? Hardly. Its called justice.

    Its true that there are different expectations on the non-Jewish world than the Jewish world according to Jewish theology. However, according to those teachings non Jews have to abide only by the Noachide laws which include such onerous requirements as not murdering and not eating the limbs of live animals. So yes, we do have a different approach, but it reflects a lower expectation on others.

    Addammo, you were clearly offended by the Jewish prohibition of marrying a non Jew. Otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it as an example of religious intolerance. I am hardly going to lecture you in the nuances of Jewish law when you can't appreciate lower order magnitude politicial issues. It would be a waste of my time.

    It is not surprising that you are unfamiliar with Jewish phrases as you are a Jew-baiter, not a theologan.

  • Addamo


    I was not offended at all by the Jewish prohibition of marrying a non Jews. In fact, I considered it a touch of light humor. I should have been mindful that humor is not your strength.

    I do find such phrases as these interesting.

    “So yes, we do have a different approach, but it reflects a lower expectation on others.”

    This turn of phrase implies that the “others” you refer to are inferior or more fallible in some way. That’s where the intolerance comes into the equation, though you are probably unaware of it. Perhaps it ties into Chris’s theory of real people.

    I’m sure that such strict adherence to religious doctrine, and intolerance to other religions, goes hand in hand with ignorance. Religious exclusivity is not unique to the Jewish faith. You choose to defend it by asserting that questioning this religious exclusivity is in itself, a sign of religious intolerance.

    I can sympathise with you not wanting to delve into issues you would undoubtedly struggle to explain without further painting yourself as a zealot. Seeing as you have repeatedly displayed an inability to take an analytical or unbiased stance on any of the topics you have tried to address, I agree it is wise of you to refrain from tackling religion.

    Sharon was a murder but I suspect you probably revere him. The best contention that Israel could invent to avoid him facing charges of war crimes, was to argue that his political appointment made him immune from justice. When that leader happens to be an Arab Muslim, those contentions are long forgotten.

    That you regard me as a Jew baiter is quite sad really, but entirely predictable.

  • captain

    Indeed sad, but true.

  • orang

    "So yes, we do have a different approach, but it reflects a lower expectation on others."

    Is this tolerance, or something else?

  • Addamo


    Have you ever noticed how every time you rush to the defense of Israel or Zionism, you uncharacteristically delve into nuanced argument? You use terms like intolerance to describe superficial criticism, as well you should.

    In contrast, when you turn your attention to Arabs, Islam, Palestinians and Hamas, only the bluntest of instruments will do. The generalizations flow freely and you condemn subtlety for acquiescence to terrorism.

    Fascinating sutff. Your handlers would be proud.

  • Chris

    What is wrong with nuanced argument? Is it not the nuance that shows the difference between a palestinian terrorist murdering innocent people by design, and the accidental deaths caused by lethal attacks on Palestinian death merchants who recruit and send off suicide bombers?

  • Addamo

    I am complete agreement with nuanced argument, in fact I would like to see more of it as opposed to selective application.

    I agree that nuance is not necessary to discern the difference between "Palestinian terrorist murdering innocent people by design, and the accidental deaths caused by lethal attacks on Palestinian death merchants who recruit and send off suicide bombers", but nuance does help us to recognize that this is not the only scenarios that plays out in the occupied territories.

    Nuance tells us that there are occasions when there is no terrorist attack and innocents are killed anyway. Nuance will recognize when Israeli attacks are not always justified, that not all Paelstinians are suicide bombers and that being shot for throwing stones is far from a measured response. Nuance tells us that oppressing people my bulldozing their homes, humiliating then at check points, treating them like second class citizens, torturing them and trivializing their political ambitions will inevitably lead to a reaction that is not motivated by religious extremism or an ideological desire to destroy Israel.

  • Chris

    It does not take nuance to reveal that all palestinians are not suicide bombers in waiting.

    Nuance also does not disregard the historical fact of the desire to get rid of the Jews, and then Israel, by any means available, by the non-jewish arab population. That it has nothing to do with any supposed "bulldozing their homes, humiliating then at check points, treating them like second class citizens, torturing them and trivializing their political ambitions".

    The thought of them may have spurred such a population to greater heights of depravity, but was certainly not the reason for the basic goal.

  • Addamo

    Are you are discounting that Palestinian people have aspirations for a peace, freedom and prosperity? Are you suggesting that these commonly held aims universally take a backseat to an ideaological desire to erredicate Israel?

  • Chris

    I am suggesting there is an internal conflict between the two in the majority of Palestinian people.