Mar 6th, 2006 at 12:07 pm

For example, you have suggested that Ben Guirons staemnt about beast walking on two legs is a myth. Would it be reasonable to argue that it is unimportant whether or not he said it, so long as enough people believe him to have said it?

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"Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.

"We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

- David Ben-Gurion, in Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on May 14, 1948

I have stated, as a fact, that Ben Gurion never stated that the Palestinian people were beasts walking on two legs."

I didn't say it was Ben Gurion, I said it was Begin.

If you're interested in Ben Gurion, he said;

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

No there is no reason to make such a charge, but that has not stopped others from doing so in the past when confronting critcism of Israel. I just felt it was necessary to clarify that and say that your contribution to the debate is stregthened as a result of the composure displayed by you and Chris.

Mar 6th, 2006 at 2:04 pm

"… not resorting to charges of anti-Semitism at the first sign of disagreement. "

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Is there any need to make such a charge?

If such statements, victimizing another faith, were to appear in the Bible or the Torah, that would have to render them fraudulent, for how could any religion that petends to champion peace exist alongside such venom?

I will also aver that there is no statement, by any prime minister of Israel, referring to the Palestinian people as beasts walking on two legs.

It is exceptionally important that the facts remain as such. Or else you run the danger of a known repeated lie being assumed as fact.

From your previous posts, it seems you are not concerned with the facts.

Orang only accepts evidence from Jews if it is against Jewish interests. Shocking antisemitism.