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It’s your fault

Israel more closely resembles apartheid South Africa by the day:

The regime of restriction on movement imposed by Israel on the Palestinians has crumbled the West Bank into dozens of closed or partially closed enclaves isolated from each other despite their geographical proximity. Permanent and mobile checkpoints, along with physical barriers of various kinds, fenced-off main roads, limitations on Palestinian traffic on east-west and north-south arteries, have cut off direct transportational links between areas of the West Bank.

Of course, “security” can justify even the most heinous acts, while Israeli leaders just blame the victims for being occupied.

35 comments ↪
  • orang

    To be fair there is no Kruger National Game Park in Israel or the "Territories". However, I'm sure that with entrepeneurial chutzpah, something in the Disney World/Advetureland genre could be created in say, Gaza.

    Queue up at the border to get issued your night vision goggles and M16 then jump onto your ride of choice Apache, D9 bulldozer, Tank and ride into the strip to hunt BIG game. Could make a reality show out of it. Remember, you saw it here first!

  • Will Full

    Let the debate continue! What bloody debate? Israel, backed by America, does as it chooses and the rest of the world looks the other way.

    Dateline this week showed the Israeli plan: division of the West Bank into three open-air prisons. A survey among Israelis shown on CNN (I think) indicated many Israelis want the Palestinians vanquished, thrown out of the Territories altogether.

    Meanwhile Muslim anger and frustration continue to boil and the world edges ever closer to destruction.

    When will this madness stop? Is it already too late?

  • captain

    Yes, Muslims in Thailand, Spain, England, Sudan, The Balkans, Chechnya and elsewhere are all misbehaving because of Israel. Nice rationalisation!

    Muslim anger and frustration is the result of their leaders keeping them in an industrially backward state whilst the West was technologically progressing over the last two hundred years. But it is so much easier to blame Israel.

    Why for instance is literacy, poverty health so neglected by some of the most oil rich countries in the world? Why are human rights so neglected? Where are the rights of unionists, homosexuals, women and minorities in most of these regimes? Of course that is Israel's fault as well!

    It is precisely because the pals see no options other than armed conflict with the eradication of Israel as the goal, that there will never be a solution to their liking.

    As usualy, one of resident antisemites would have people believe that pals are merely considered 'game'. It is this kind of analysis that can only occur when one is so far from the place and so ignorant to allow fantasies like this to forment. Anyway, the Gazan's are creating their own laughable themepark: Hamastan.

  • edward squire

    captain Mar 26th, 2006 at 11:11 am

    Muslim anger and frustration is the result of their leaders keeping them in an industrially backward state whilst the West was technologically progressing over the last two hundred years. But it is so much easier to blame Israel.

    To pinch from Kierkegaard, why does this have to be an "either/or" dichotomy?

    The attempt to reduce every complex socio-political phenomenon down to one and only one causal factor is surely the mark of a failure to even begin to understand the phenomenon.

    And the fact that part of the complex story never, ever can be allowed to include the century's longest military occupation of one people by another, surely gives credit to charges of mendacity against Zionist fans.

  • captain

    Edward, the obvious eludes you as usual. The factors I have identified have a direct effect on all of the raging masses. Most of these violent Muslims wouldn't know anything about Israel other than what they were indoctrinated with at their local Mosque. Its not like they have free press.

    The irony is that it is you who is putting their behaviour down to one factor. Because that is your reductionistic over simplification.

  • captain

    The Arab world has been more than satisfied with the current status quo. It has given each despotic leader a convenient diversion from their own opressive policies (not that you are concerned with arab mistreatment of other arabs). The local arabs who call themselves palestinians have worked extremely hard to avoid any long term solution. They are able to assert so much more power through their victimhood.

    The closer any peaceful resolution becomes, the more violent they become. This is a calculated strategy. This was the brilliance of Sharon, to merely stop playing the game with them and disengage.

    So Edward can you explain the lack of outrage at Muslims being killed in Sudan? I mean why aren't there countless UNGA and UNSC resolutions about this? Particularly in view of the fact that many more Muslims have been killed than during the so called intifada, you would have thought that this would raise some eyebrows at least??! But of course, no Jews are involved, so it doesn't matter!!

  • Will Full

    "Most of these violent Muslims wouldn’t know anything about Israel," claims the Captain.

    And here I thought the Arab media, CNN, BBC, nightly broadcast the atrocities being carried out by Israel on the Palestinians around the world. Recent pictures I've seen have shown Palestinians dumping produce because checkpoints to Israel are closed, loaded food trucks stopped from entering Gaza causing severe food shortages, IDF tanks smashing down a prison in Jericho, plans for the division of the West Bank into three enclaves, etc.

    What never ceases to amaze me is that Israeli apologists seem to think that the bulk of people (who see the harrowing pictures) actually swallow Israeli propaganda and rationalisations.

    Captain, oh my Captain, get a life!

  • captain

    So Will, tell me why these same Muslims aren't raging about the wholesale murder in Sudan? Explain that!! And please explain why there has been inaction and a complete lack of outrage in the Muslim world about this.

    Fellow travellers like yourself get suckered into caring more about people than they do themselves. The solutions are very straightforward, but it suits the Arab leadership to have their people suffering. If they can't beat Israel militarily, they try to punish her with propaganda wars. Unfortunately people such as yourself fall in hook line and sinker. At the time when the territories were under the most autonomy and a peace deal seemed imminent, the violence was at its worst. Explain that too please.

  • Will Full

    Oh Captain, oh my Captain.

    You demand that I explain to you my position about the Sudan (which is unrelated to the topic) while you have ignored every point that I (and others) have raised about the cruel actions of Israel during the thirty-nine year occupation of the Palestinians Territories.

    Then it is rather difficult to defend the indefensible, isn't it?

  • captain

    Nice evasion of my issues.

    Arabs are fed on a steady diet of decontextualised inflammatory media. It suits their leaders to do this. How any normal person could find Israel's actions at the Jerico prison inflammatory beats me. The killers were about to be released in contravention of a previous agreement. Why should arabs find this to be inflammatory.

    But you have not answered my point. If they are so concerned about their bretheren, why not any protests about Sudan? Surely the thousand fold higher casualty rate should create a frenzy. But why hasn't it?

    I have been to Israel many times and not observed any cruelty. I have observed quite the opposite. But Arabs are not allowed to talk about the cooperation because they have a funny way of ending up dead. What I do think is cruel though is the way the arab world has perpetuated a refugee situation for political advantage when every other refugee (including many Jewish refugees) are resettled.

  • Don Wigan

    "Its not like they have free press."

    Pardon? I assume, Captain, you haven't heard of Al Jazeera, nor understood why it is the most widely subscribed to of any news/current events Pay TV in the Middle East. Nor for that matter, why it is despised by US, Israeli, and various Arab despots alike – not to mention Bush's idea of destroying it entirely.

  • Will Full

    Captain, you are living proof of the statement that: people see what they want to see. You and I, quite obviously, see entirely different things.

    But then my thinking is not biased and blinkered by religious conviction.

  • captain

    If your thinking is not biased, please answer my questions rather than engage in empty ad hominem argument.

  • captain

    Al Jazeera= Free press??? I haven't had such a good laugh in ages. Thanks for that.

  • edward squire

    captain Mar 26th, 2006 at 2:37 pm

    The factors I have identified have a direct effect on all of the raging masses.

    Do you mean protests against various things (and yes, I agree that people in various countries protest against all sorts of things)? Please, at least provide a veneer of respect for the concept of democracy. It doesn't look good otherwise … what with all the charges of fascist that get thrown at you.

    Most of these violent Muslims wouldn’t know anything about Israel other than what they were indoctrinated with at their local Mosque.

    I think these protesting Muslims of which you speak may be getting their information from all over the shop. In Indonesia for example, everyone (literally) watches free-to-air TV, which actually has a very boring and impartial coverage of the various goings on in Palestine and Israel. These reports are more likely to incite sleep than street protests. But then there is satellite TV beamed in from around the world for the middle class – as noted by Will Full: CNN, BBC, various Asian channels, and yes, the satanic Al Jazeera. But if you're looking for a youth response (and that's what we're talking about for Indonesia), then you can't go past the good ol' internet – that great purveyer of both good and evil.

    Its not like they have free press.

    That might depend on where you're talking about (and also what you mean by "free press"). For example, in Indonesia, they have a rabidly free press now that Soeharto is gone – free in the sense that there is a diversity of opinion on most things are a sceptical and sometimes cynical attitude to authority now. (It is not so free in the sense that media ownership concentration is quite substantial now, and the is – like everything in Indonesia – a good deal of corruption of media ethics … if the price is right.)

    The irony is that it is you who is putting their behaviour down to one factor. Because that is your reductionistic over simplification.

    Errr – calling things "complex socio-political phenomena" (one of the factors in the mix sometimes being the Occupation) is not exactly reductionist; but if typing the word "reductionist" floats your boat, then I'm happy to provide you with the opportunity to experience a little pleasure.

    So Edward can you explain the lack of outrage at Muslims being killed in Sudan?

    In the case of Indonesia, most likely because its trapped in a media black-hole (and that goes for all the media – including, by comparison to other human rights abuses and horrors, the internet). Most protests relating to the Middle East only occur at points of heightened tension or immediate threat – e.g. the protest against the threat to the Al Asqua Mosque (see here).

  • Addamo

    Captain,

    You never cease to provide great amusement on this forum, along with such easily refuted fiction.

    Most of these violent Muslims wouldn’t know anything about Israel other than what they were indoctrinated with at their local Mosque.

    As opposed to Zionists who have a perfectly balanced perspective. Why Captain, do students of the Torah attend lectures in Bondi for examples, teaching them how to interpret Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories? If the answer is so simple, then why the need to “explanation” other than the fear that the students might come to the wrong conclusion if left to resort to common sense?

    It has given each despotic leader a convenient diversion from their own opressive policies (not that you are concerned with arab mistreatment of other arabs).

    You ignore the elephant tin the room, namely that the despotic leaders are usually supported and protected by the US. Teh depsotinc leaders are recognised inteh arab world as part of the problem. Have you not been paynig any attention Captain?

    Go sit in the corner and wear the dunce hat for 10 minutes.

    They are able to assert so much more power through their victimhood.

    Compared to the Grand Masters and undisputed chjampions of victimhood, that’s non argument. How many Arab states have been created under the pretext of voctimhood?

    Seriosuly, I can;t help but wonder if one of the things the Zionists most resent aboput Palestinians is that that are challenging their claim to victimhood. Can't blame them. Victimhood has pain handsomely.

    The closer any peaceful resolution becomes, the more violent they become. This is a calculated strategy. This was the brilliance of Sharon, to merely stop playing the game with them and disengage.

    No. The closer any peaceful resolution becomes, the more likely a convenient attack on Israel takes place and thereby justifying an overt Israeli response. You are such a putz Captain. Did you not hear Dov Wesiglass when he said that Sharon would pout the peace process into formaldehyde?

    So Will, tell me why these same Muslims aren’t raging about the wholesale murder in Sudan?

    Maybe because it’s an internal conflict. Maybe because the conflict has not spanned decades?

    Fellow travellers like yourself get suckered into caring more about people than they do themselves.

    Didn’t some university professor in the US just compile a report about how the US has put Israel’s interest before it’s own?

    <code>The solutions are very straightforward, but it suits the Arab leadership to have their people suffering. If they can’t beat Israel militarily, they try to punish her with propaganda wars.</code>

    You mean like the stifling of debate in the US about US Israeli foreign policy?

    Arabs are fed on a steady diet of decontextualised inflammatory media.

    You ever watched FOX news? I like the word “decontextualised” however. Once again, it is an example how the right can only begin to make sense by framing the debate “in context”, meaning that otherwise, the argument itself would fail to stand up.

    How any normal person could find Israel’s actions at the Jerico prison inflammatory beats me. The killers were about to be released in contravention of a previous agreement. Why should arabs find this to be inflammatory.

    Normal people as in non-Zionists you mean? I think there was uniform disgust at Israel’s thuggery in this example. The “killers” as you call them were assassins, who in Israel would be regarded as heroes. After all, Israel is the one country on the world that openly boats of it’s willingness to carry out such acts.

    The ouytrage is because of the obvious coordinated efforts this had with the British pullot that day. Israel’s excuse was that they had warned the Brits they would raid the prison If the Brits left. That’s a bit like a serial killer refusing to accept his pathologic desire tyo kill and blaming the legal system for allowing him to roam the streets, for the murders he commits.

    I have been to Israel many times and not observed any cruelty.

    Well, Smiths has also been there and he saw a great deal, except that mini you, Chris, then told him his observations were irrelvant. How many times do we hear of so called reporters who are parachuted into the Green Zone in Iraq, complaining that the good news is not getting out? Like all people, you see what you want to see.

    But that does raise a valid point. Good news does not make news. When a plane crashes, it’s news. You don’t hear reports every day about the number of safe plane trips that take place.

    Al Jazeera= Free press??? I haven’t had such a good laugh in ages.

    Laugh away Captain. They say idiots are closer to god.

    It’s the only media outlet that has interviewed both Bush and Bin Laden. It regularly seeks US spokesmen and woman to give interviews. I’m sure if Sharon or Olmert wanted to, they could be on Al Jazeera the very same day with an interview. How often do you see Hamas leaders being interview in the US or Western media in general?

  • Chris

    captain

    Mar 26th, 2006 at 8:57 pm

    Al Jazeera= Free press??? I haven’t had such a good laugh in ages. Thanks for that.

    ****************************************************

    Since Al Jazeera accepted Iraqi money to broadcast fake news, it is laughable. I see Addamo sits on God's lap.

  • Addamo

    Since Al Jazeera accepted Iraqi money to broadcast fake news

    Do you have any evidence or is this one of those "it appears" Chris type news items?

    Since Al Jazeera accepted Iraqi money to broadcast fake news, it is laughable. I see Addamo sits on God’s lap.

    The Pentagon has stated that it is maintaining its poilicy of paying for good news in Iraq, as well as not only bombing the Baghdad station, but Bush being quoted as wanting to bomb the stattino in Qatar.

    Don't worry, your place on God's lap is unchallenged, right next to Captains.

  • Chris

    On the rolling ticker/news summary: (middle of the linked page)

    The German weekly 'Der Speigel' claims to have original secret documents in Arabic identifying 24 Al Jazeera and media personalities who were paid bribes by the Iraqi Mukhabart.[Saddam's Intel operation]

    The list includes the Director of Al Jazeera Muhammad Jassim Al-Ali, who has since been fired, and Abdul Bari Atwan, the editor of the daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi (MEMRI source: Al-Taakhi newspaper, Iraq)

    CIA Director Tenet said to have visited Qatar secretly last week to deliver a strong message to Qatari leaders about Al Jazeera television serving as a mouthpiece for Islamists to incite violence against American forces in Iraq. (MEMRI source: Al Sabah Newspaper, Iraq)

    American Army paid individuals in Al -Sadr city near Baghdad $3.1 Million to surrender about 4,000 Kalachnikovs, 9,000 mortar shells, 260 RPG missiles and 2220 hand grenades in addition to a large amount of ammunition. (MEMRI source: Al-Zaman Newspaper, Iraq)

    Yes, the Pentagon paid to have actual news broadcast, not lies as paid for by Saddam.

    Having fun sitting on God's lap?

  • Addamo

    The Iraqi Mukhabart were disbanded immediately after the invasion so they have polayed no part in the news Al Jazeera have reported.

    Yes, the Pentagon paid to have actual news broadcast, not lies as paid for by Saddam.

    Oh Chris, you are hopeless. Is “actual news” another one of those Chisisms like “real people”? When news is bought and paid for it’s not news, it’s propaganda.

    That’s a new word for you to learn this week while staring at those boats.
    Actual news” meaning what exactly?

    Stuff like:

    -Insurgents being dead enders or in their last throes?
    -That Zarqawi was a golfing partner with Saddam along with Bin Laden?
    -That the Us does not torture people and that Abu Graib is really a health retreat?
    -That free elections in Iraq would produce a domino effect throughout the Middle East?

    How can I sit on God’s lap when you are hogging it all the time Chris?

    The US has an obscene track record of the nedia being infiltrated by the government. Judy Miller rigng a bell? Does Jeff "militarystud.com" Gannin ring a bell?

  • Chris

    Actual news as opposed to the stuff you make up while you sit on God's lap.

    Paying a paper to put in a story that a school is being built is not propaganda. It is paying the paper to report truth.

    The US track record of truth is a sight better than yours.

  • Comical_Ali

    Israel more closely resembles apartheid South Africa by the day:

    Really? So in other words you are saying the civilians of apartheid South Africa were subject to constant terror attacks in their cafes, buses, shopping centers and night clubs and were thus threatened with all out genocide?

    Or are you just belittling the suffering of the victims of apartheid?

  • Chris

    Squires, there is no proof that the one ton bombs the Israelis use on occasion are done so with the object being the death of children.

    But if you have iron-clad proof, please provide it.

    Addamo, how much aid, pre-Hamas (Since it is understood that the majority of funds received by Hamas is for planning Genocide)was given to the Palestinians from the US, EU, Arab countries, Asian countries and the UN including UNRWA? I’m sure your brilliant education in nuclear technology (which enabled you to display how much you’ve forgotten) will allow you to dig up the answer.

    I didn’t attack your mother. What is it about you and reading? Surely you can read? Or is someone slightly literate reading this to you?

  • Addamo

    Actual news as opposed to the stuff you make up while you sit on God’s lap.

    Actual news? Didn’t mummy tell you the truth about the tooth fairy?

    “Paying a paper to put in a story that a school is being built is not propaganda. It is paying the paper to report truth.”

    Wrong as usual. It is paying the paper to report what it pays then to report, while ignoring the deaths US soldiers or Iraqi’s bring killed that day.

    The US track record of truth is a sight better than yours.

    I can see how gullible fools would believe that, but then again, I don’t get paid to look at slow moving boats all day. I honestly didn’t believe until now that you were one of them. You were probably one of those sheeple who believed the WMD lies, the 911 connection lies, the Al Qaeda connection lies, the 45 minute warning lies and the mushroom cloud over US cities lies.

    Everything about the war has been a lie. In fact, the way to know what is going on in Iraq is to listen to the Bush gang and reverse the scenario.

    BTW Chris, the world isn’t flat either.

    Really? So in other words you are saying the civilians of apartheid South Africa were subject to constant terror attacks in their cafes, buses, shopping centers and night clubs and were thus threatened with all out genocide?

    You suffer from selective memory loss Comical. The ANC was banned in SA and even Regan declared them a terrorist organization. A threat is based on the likelihood of it ever occurring. You are hanging on desperately to this genocide canard because it’s the only rock you can hide under.

    Or are you just belittling the suffering of the victims of apartheid?

    Hardly. The most famous victims of apartheid probably is the best to judge, and he himself has visited the occupied territories and compared the conditions and political climate to apartheid SA. In fact, the apartheid victims had one major advantage, seeing as the world recognized their plight and boycotted SA.

  • Addamo

    Squires, there is no proof that the one ton bombs the Israelis use on occasion are done so with the object being the death of children.

    Nor is there any proof that the bombs set off in cafes are intended to kill children. One thing is for sure. A 1 tonne bomb will kill a great deal more people than a suicide bomber ever could.

    Addamo, how much aid, pre-Hamas (Since it is understood that the majority of funds received by Hamas is for planning Genocide)was given to the Palestinians from the US, EU, Arab countries, Asian countries and the UN including UNRWA?

    You evidently have the answer seeing as your self and Comical seem to believe that Palestinians receive more per capita than anyone else. I have no doubt the numbers vary.

    One source (http://www.eufunding.org/accountability/NewFPCReport.html) says that between 1993 and 2004, Palestinians received US$10 billio in aid. So based on that estimate alone, Paelstinians, who outnumer Israeli Jews, received in 11 year what Israel officisally receives in 3 or 4.

    Based these numbers alone, it is iextremely unlikely that Palestiniasn receive anywhere near what Israe receives per capita.

    Annually, the US gives Israel roughly 30 times what it gives Palestinains.

  • Comical_Ali

    "The ANC was banned in SA and even Regan declared them a terrorist organization."

    for blowing up cafes, buses, murdering pregnant women, toddlers and school aged children?

    And were black south africans the largest reciepiants of international aid per capita in the world like the palestinians who recievbe billions in aid money?

    Were they entitled to a free press and run their own independent media which called white people the descendents of "apes, monkeys and pigs" who deserved to be murdered?

    Did their leaders ever make it to the "Forbes rich list," wear designer clothers, have houses in Europe and drive top of the range European cars?

    Did black people have the right to vote and sit in the South African parliament and form their own political parties which openly called for the destruction of the state?

    Were black people educated at universities set up and paid for by the white population?

    The list goes on. Please don't belittle the suffering of the victims of apartheid.

    That "most famous victim of apartheid" that you mention also happens to be good mates with Libyan dictator Mummur Kaddaffi (among many other dictators whom he is close friends with) – a leader of one of the most racist and aparthied regimes in the world and is also very friendly with the Saudi regime. His hypocrisy and double standards were famously exposed by the victims of Libyan and Saudi terror. So what he saids carries no moral weight – his alliance with the PLO and "sympathy" with the Palestinians is purley political and goes back to the cold war days.

  • edward squire

    Comical_Ali Mar 27th, 2006 at 4:31 pm

    Really? So in other words you are saying the civilians of apartheid South Africa were subject to constant terror attacks in their cafes, buses, shopping centers and night clubs and were thus threatened with all out genocide?

    Huh? Are you implying The Wall doesn't work anymore … what with the "constant terror attacks"?

  • Chris

    Works much better than no security barrier. Fewer of these constant attacks succeed. The Fence also allows the IDF to better focus monitoring activity.

  • Addamo

    for blowing up cafes, buses, murdering pregnant women, toddlers and school aged children?

    Who needs to take out a café when you can take out a whole apartment complex? Maybe Hamas you would prefer Hamas be provided with apache helicopter and F-16 fighters and they could be more selective with who they kill.

    And were black south africans the largest reciepiants of international aid per capita in the world like the palestinians who recievbe billions in aid money?

    You have got to be joking!! The Palestinians receive next to nothing compared to Israel. What utter drivel!! Israel is the largest recipient of aid fro the US in the world by a long shot.

    Were they entitled to a free press and run their own independent media which called white people the descendents of “apes, monkeys and pigs” who deserved to be murdered?

    Small consellation. I wonder if the Jews in Nazi Germany had had a free press if they woud have spoken abtou the Germans in glowing terms either?

    Did their leaders ever make it to the “Forbes rich list,” wear designer clothers, have houses in Europe and drive top of the range European cars?

    You are talking about one man. Hey, no one said Arafat was a saint. He clearly wanted power ore than benefiting the Palestinians. He did win a nobel peace prize did he not?

    Did black people have the right to vote and sit in the South African parliament and form their own political parties which openly called for the destruction of the state?

    No they did not. But then again, they did end up wining pwer in the end did they not? What is the likelyhood of a Palesitnia eleted government rulling Israel?

    Were black people educated at universities set up and paid for by the white population?

    Bullshit. The Palestinians are taxed by Israel. That money was their to begin with. Did the South African government receive massive aid from the US?

    The list goes on. Please don’t belittle the suffering of the victims of apartheid.
    Please? You are asking me. You are an idiot. My mother’s family had to leave South Africa in the 50’s because they dared to defend black people at the time. You have not a clue about what you are talking about.

    That “most famous victim of apartheid” that you mention also happens to be good mates with Libyan dictator Mummur Kaddaffi (among many other dictators whom he is close friends with) a leader of one of the most racist and aparthied regimes in the world and is also very friendly with the Saudi regime.

    How do you arrive at the conclusion that Libya is more racist that Israel? Because it has a nice ring to it? Was the SA partheid governments not the most racist in the world? And who befriended them? Daaddadaaa.. Israel of course. Obviously they shared many common goals.

    His hypocrisy and double standards were famously exposed by the victims of Libyan and Saudi terror.

    Exposed? Please elaborate?

    So what he said carries no moral weight – his alliance with the PLO and “sympathy” with the Palestinians is purely political and goes back to the cold war days.

    Oh I see. Now you're dopign a Chirs and deciding who is or who is not credible. So you want people to feel sorry for the victims of apartheid, but you don’t want anyone to listen to what they have to say. How convenient.

    So Israel’s alliance with South Africa was purely political or based on a mutual appreciation of racist hatred?

    You can’t have it both ways.

  • Chris

    The object of the Arab commiting suicide in a cafe was to kill Jewish children. Destruction of the apartment was to kill a known murderer. Israel could have easily taken out the entire town.

    The money does not belong to the Palestinians. It was given to them by agreement. As Hamas recognizes no agreements, they lost the money. Palestinian recieved the largest amount of donations per capita in the entire world. Don't you ever read a paper or do you just lie by habit?

    Too bad your mother's family has turned their backs on you as you sit on God's lap.

  • edward squire

    Chris Mar 28th, 2006 at 3:23 am

    The object of the Arab commiting suicide in a cafe was to kill Jewish children.

    Much like the one ton bombs the IDF uses, I don't think a strap-on bomb in a cafe can really be that specific about who the bomb is "targeting".

  • Addamo

    The object of the Arab commiting suicide in a cafe was to kill Jewish children.

    Café’s are the haunt of adults, not children, unless of course, it is mandatory for pre-pubescent Jewish kids to drink Turkish coffee. Where does it say that children re targeted as opposed to adults?

    Destruction of the apartment was to kill a known murderer. Israel could have easily taken out the entire town.

    How do you know that? Perhaps they too wanted to kill innocent? I mean, you can’t seriously believe what the military tells you.

    The money does not belong to the Palestinians. It was given to them by agreement.

    Given by whom? Israel? And who gave it to Israel? As for taxation, was the agreement not that Israel would collect it on behalf of Palestinians?

    As Hamas recognizes no agreements, they lost the money.

    Wrong. Palestinians lost the money because they didn’t vote for the leadership Israel was hoping for. Just another form of collective punishment.

    Palestinian recieved the largest amount of donations per capita in the entire world. Don’t you ever read a paper or do you just lie by habit?

    Bullshit. Israel receives by far the most amount of money. Do Palestinians receive more than 3 billion per year in government aid military aid massive private donation?

    Too bad your mother’s family has turned their backs on you as you sit on God’s lap.

    Oh Chris, are you feeling so pathetic and impotent that you now have to attack my mother? What more evidence does one need that you have well and truly lost the debate.

  • Chris

    There is proof that palestinian terrorists deliberately target jewish women and children.

    Your one source is an estimate dealing with the corruption of the palestinians regarding theft of funds.

    From your source: In July 2005, the international community promised the Palestinians $3 billion. The EU and member states alone are already contributing over €500 million annually to the Palestinians. I guess you were lying because you read your source, didn't you? Or did you have someone read it to you?

    Everyone here knows that the US gives Israel 3 billion a year, most of it in defense funding to keep back the murderous palestinian horde.

    Please show where an Israeli one ton bomb ever killed more women and children than any palestinian suicide bomber. You can, can't you? Or was that more bullshit?

    There are more palestinians world-wide than there are Israeli Jews, but there are not more palestinians in the disputed territories than there are Israeli Jews. Or are you expecting the UN to feed the Palestinians who are citizens of Jordan (60%-70% of Jordanians are palestinians. You did know that, didn't you?)

  • Addamo

    There is proof that palestinian terrorists deliberately target jewish women and children.

    No. There is proof that Jewish women and children have been killed in attacks and that is all. The same goes for the IDF and it’s killing of Palestinian women and children.

    Your one source is an estimate dealing with the corruption of the Palestinians regarding theft of funds.

    No it was the first sight I Googled. So when Palestinians accept aid it’s theft, but when Israel accept aid, it is for security reasons. Here we go. Another live one.
    From your source: In July 2005, the international community promised the Palestinians $3 billion. The EU and member states alone are already contributing over €500 million annually to the Palestinians. I guess you were lying because you read your source, didn’t you? Or did you have someone read it to you?

    Promised in 2005? Did the report not state that 10 billion was paid to Palestine over 11 years? That still averages way less that 3 billion per year.

    Israel receives a great deal more that €500 million from private donations around the world.

    Everyone here knows that the US gives Israel 3 billion a year, most of it in defense funding to keep back the murderous Palestinian horde.

    That’s only the tip of the iceberg. It varies and some years it is higher. For example the massive compensation being paid to the Gazza settlers who moved out of their homes was on top of this was it not?

    Also, thre are arms shipments to israel which reeive little or no attention. Such as the attack helicopters Clinton shpped to Israel.

    Of course, this doesn’t include the cost of building the pipeline from Mosul to Haifa.

    Please show where an Israeli one ton bomb ever killed more women and children than any palestinian suicide bomber. You can, can’t you? Or was that more bullshit?

    I can prove it killed more people purely because of the blast radius. You cannot prove the alternate assertion.

    There are more Palestinians world-wide than there are Israeli Jews, but there are not more Palestinians in the disputed territories than there are Israeli Jews.

    There are plenty of Jews who live outside of Israel, yet they are all given right of return to Israel. Who pays for that? Israel’s sugar daddy of course.

    Or are you expecting the UN to feed the Palestinians who are citizens of Jordan (60%-70% of Jordanians are Palestinians. You did know that, didn’t you?)

    Ignoring the refugees of course. They don’t count right?

  • Chris

    There is proof that palestinian terrorists target jewish women and children.

    Further proof that some idiot is reading the source to you, It was stated that palestinian corruption involved theft of these donated funds.

    The International community's promise did not include the UN. With the UN, that makes the palestinians the recipients of the most donations. 10 year average? How many lies havbe you told over the last ten years, on average? But nobody gives a shit except about the lies you tell today.

    Again, the palestinians are the recipients of the most donations.

    So you can't provve that Israeli one ton bomb has killed as many women and children as a Palestinian suicide bomber. Just one of many facts you state that turn out to be invented.

    The rest of your bullshit is not worth the bother.