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One racist nation

Gideon Levy, Haaretz, March 26:

Contrary to appearances, the elections this week are important, because they will expose the true face of Israeli society and its hidden ambitions. More than 100 elected candidates will be sent to the Knesset on the basis of one ticket – the racism ticket. If we used to think that every two Israelis have three opinions, now it will be evident that nearly every Israeli has one opinion – racism. Elections 2006 will make this much clearer than ever before. An absolute majority of the MKs in the 17th Knesset will hold a position based on a lie: that Israel does not have a partner for peace. An absolute majority of MKs in the next Knesset do not believe in peace, nor do they even want it – just like their voters – and worse than that, don’t regard Palestinians as equal human beings. Racism has never had so many open supporters. It’s the real hit of this election campaign. 

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  • edward squire

    Gideon Levy, Haaretz, March 26:

    Contrary to appearances, the elections this week are important, because they will expose the true face of Israeli society and its hidden ambitions.

    Well, "hidden to whom?" is a relevant question. I was listening to vox pop interviews with Palestinian Israelis on BBC radio today and they were saying in one way or another, "It doesn't matter who wins. They're [the Israeli politicians] are all the same."

  • Antony Loewenstein

    Hidden to many, I fear. The likely result in Tuesday's election, and the platform of the major parties, should leave viewers with no misunderstanding as to the true nature of the majority Israeli population. Erasing the Palestinians from their land, and from view. There is a word for such acts…

  • boredinHK

    AL,

    The ambitions are territorial? Or to maintain the state structure and what is an apparently discriminatory basis in it?

    I'd like to hear your ideas.

    And are the ambitions hidden to people in Israel or do you mean to outside scrutiny ?

    Thanks .

  • Antony Loewenstein

    Partly territorial, but also a belief that the land of Israel is God-given. Never under-estimate that strong feeling in dominant Zionism. In such logic, Palestinians and Arabs have no place.
    As for the ambitions, many Israelis do know about the plans, and seem to accept them. Many do not, of course. A recent poll suggested that a majority of Israelis had no desire to live in the same apartment bloc as an Arab. Racism in Israel is rife.
    As for the international community, or the countries with any influence, many seem not to care. Supporting the Palestinians has become a perceived weight about the neck. Justice, however, will win in the end.

  • Chris

    Hidden to none. Israelis want peace, the Palestinians do not. At laest not a peace that involves living Israelis.

    The Palestinians elected the Genocide Party. Possibly this is the reaction that should have been expected.

    Please show the poll regarding living with a Arab, as opposed to living with a Muslim.

  • Comical_Ali

    you really do live in an alternate reality, Loewenstein.

    Erasing the Palestinians from their land, and from view

    Of course, if they really had such intentions in mind, than considering their overall military might, this whole conflict would have come to an end 30 or possibly sixty years ago, with no Arab left within the vicinity of the Holy Land. The trouble with people like Loewenstein who make such loaded statements, is that they were never able to adequetly explain why this didn't happen.

    In order to judge who wants to erase whom one need only compare the two societies. Its very simple. This can be done by analysing the respective mainstream media and school curiculiums of both sides of the conflict.

    Or how popular extremist organisations fare among the two respective populations: In Israel's case, Kach was banned by the Israeli government and all other far-right parties are shunned and kept to the fringes. In the Palestinian case, the genocidal Hamas just formed a government. In addition to that, the worst thing to come out of the "racist Israeli right-wing" was a possiblity of transfering the Arab population. While at best, Palestinian extremist groups call for all out genocide and murder of the Jewish population.

  • Comical_Ali

    In such logic, Palestinians and Arabs have no place.

    As for the ambitions, many Israelis do know about the plans, and seem to accept them. Many do not, of course. A recent poll suggested that a majority of Israelis had no desire to live in the same apartment bloc as an Arab. Racism in Israel is rife.

    Questions for Antony:

    Is Israel the only country where racism is rife?

    Can one's commentary on the middle east be taken seriously, if the blatant racism, agression and facism of the other-side of the conflict is completley ignored – randering this particular side absolutley blameless?

    If racism is so rife in Israel & there is no place for arabs, why are there six Arab members of the Israeli parliament, along with Arab political parties?

    why are Arabs granted freedoms to such an extent, that Arab-israeli politicians are free to openly meet and embrace Hezbollah in Lebanon while their own political parties in the Israeli parliament unequivocally call for the raplacement of Israel with an Islamic caliphate?

    Why doesnt an "elightened" European country like France, have any Arab members in its parliament – thats a country with 7 million Arabs and a country which unlike Israel, is not at war with the Arab-world?

    Surely it cant be as bad as you describe, Lowy, no?

  • Comical_Ali

    Ooh, ooh and some more:

    If you answered "no" to my first question in the above than I would like to ask the following:

    Is racism more rife in Israel or in the west, particularly in Europe?

    If you answer the former, than how do you explain the fact that whilst Israel bans parties like Kach, right-wing extremist parties win majorities in the various state elections of Germany? Or better still, the strange phenomenon of the neo-Nazi LePenn becoming the main contender with Chirac for the Presidency of France? Which also brings us back to this question: why does France – a country with the largest population of Muslims – have not one muslim/arab Member of Parliament?

  • Addamo

    Hidden to none. Israelis want peace, the Palestinians do not. At laest not a peace that involves living Israelis.

    Israelis want security not peace. Peace comes at a price, one that Israel is not prepared to pay.

    The Palestinians elected the Genocide Party. Possibly this is the reaction that should have been expected.

    And Israel voted for the war crimes party.

    considering their overall military might, this whole conflict would have come to an end 30 or possibly sixty years ago, with no Arab left within the vicinity of the Holy Land.

    Israel have been clever enough to do this by small moves. That way it garners less attention and less international condemnation. Israel still relies on foreign aid and protection to remain remotely viable.

    The trouble with people like Loewenstein who make such loaded statements, is that they were never able to adequately explain why this didn’t happen.

    I just offered one.

    This can be done by analysing the respective mainstream media and school curiculiums of both sides of the conflict.

    For example, one can anylise why it is that students of the Torah attend workshops in Bondi to educate them in ways to think about the occupation. Now why is this necessary if the answer is so obvious? Surely, there is a concern that left to employ common sense, the participant might arrive at the “wrong” conclusion.

    In Israel’s case, Kach was banned by the Israeli government and all other far-right parties are shunned and kept to the fringes. In the Palestinian case, the genocidal Hamas just formed a government.

    That deserves to be acknowledged, but Likud is hardly moderate or peace loving. Who is using inflammatory language noew Comical “genocidal Hamas”? How many genocides have Hamas perpetrated. Are you confusing intent with actions? Surely this must make the IDF a genocidal institution seeing s it has killed many times more people than Hamas.

    In addition to that, the worst thing to come out of the “racist Israeli right-wing” was a possibility of transferring the Arab population.

    Officially yes, while in practice, it’s out and out muder.

    Is Israel the only country where racism is rife?

    No, but it is the only country that claims to have moral authority while racism is rife.

    how do you explain the fact that whilst Israel bans parties like Kach, right-wing extremist parties win majorities in the various state elections of Germany?

    How do you explain that in Germany, it is illegal to question the official accounts of the Holocaust?

    Or better still, the strange phenomenon of the neo-Nazi LePenn becoming the main contender with Chirac for the Presidency of France?

    How do you explain that in France, it is illegal to question the official accounts of the Holocaust?

  • Chris

    Israel will not pay for peace without security. The Arabs offer no security, let alone peace.

    There is no Israeli party advocating war crimes, therefore there is no war crime party. But hamas does advocate the destruction of Israel, therefore there is a Palestinian Genocide Party.

    As Israel has made no moves to commit Genocide, there have been no small moves.

    The rest of your bullshit was not worth bothering with. Seems you will try to provide lvery misdirection possib;e to mask the Palestinian dream of genocide. Perhaps it is your dream also.

  • Addamo

    Israel will not pay for peace without security.

    Why would they? If they can get security without peace, then they get to have their cake and eat it to.

    As Israel has made no moves to commit Genocide, there have been no small moves.

    If Hamas is a party of genocide (based on the numbers they have killed) then Israel is a far greater vilator. It's simple math really. Even you should be able to follow.

    The rest of your bullshit was not worth bothering with.

    It actually started out being Captain's bullshit, but I can understand you not being able to properly offer adequte answers to the points I raised. You have already established youtself as a Zionist mind controleld shill.

    Seems you will try to provide every misdirection possibe to mask the Israeli crimes against humanity. Perhaps it is your dream also.

  • Ros

    Good try Comical_Ali. Haven't been here for a while. Much appreciate you and Chris and others refusal to allow the racism and hatred of Jews, that is the raison d’etre and modus operandi of so many at this site, to stand unchallenged. But I realised as I shuddered, that to be here is to grow a little immune to the horror of their racism and hate. The constant generalisations about Jews, not racism they say, because we speak of Israelis or Zionists (a label attached to any whose views aren’t acceptable to them). Always the image is of Palestinians as individuals, harried and harmed by a mob of Jews. Never are the Israelis seen as individuals. There are some Israelis and Jews who decry Israel’s struggle to survive who are awarded the status of person, or Clayton’s Jew. But to be a Jew is always to be just one of the elements of an evil collective.

    The very epitome of racism.

    “ONE RACIST NATION”

    Well learnt something from following the lead provided by Antony, a new word for me but not a new phenomenon, malsin.

  • Addamo

    Ah Ros,

    Welcome back. Time has evidently not enlightened you one iota.

    Interesting that every criticism you have made about critics of Israel on this list are precisely the ones being perpetrated by it's apologists.

    Captain, Comical and Chris were the ones to suggest that Palestinians chose terrorism and genocide over peace by voting Hamas. Who are the ones then making generalizations?

    Never are the Israelis seen as individuals.

    How did you invent that obtuse conclusion, given that no individuals have been identified? Are we not speaking of both sides as a collective? Very bizarre. Been spending too much time in the sun have we?

    There are some Israelis and Jews who decry Israel’s struggle to survive who are awarded the status of person

    What an overactive imagination you have!! Israel's concern is security is survival, but hey, survival just has that Shakespearean kick doesn’t it?

    But to be a Jew is always to be just one of the elements of an evil collective.

    Strange again evil is the term du jour of the right and Israeli apologists.

    The very epitome of racism.

    Sure, and Israel continues to set new benchmarks in human rights and equality.

    So that’s all you have learned during your time away – one word. Time well spent indeed.

  • Comical_Ali

    The rest of your bullshit was not worth bothering with.

    Chris, you managed to sum up everything in one simple sentence.

    I also forgot to add how Jorge Haders neo-nazi party won power and formed a coalition in Austria a couple of years ago – as another example of enlightened Western/european standards of tolerance which seem to put Israel to shame, thus singling it out as the most racist nation among all other nations.

    '60% of Palestinians reject Israel'

    Considering that Israel is "one racist nation" which wants to "erase the arabs," (thus randering the Arabs blameless) I would like Mr.Loewenstein to show us some statistical figures of Israeli attitudes toward the two-state solution and peace with the Arabs. I suspect that he wont have much trouble backing up his loaded assertions.

  • Addamo

    …another example of enlightened Western/european standards of tolerance which seem to put Israel to shame, thus singling it out as the most racist nation among all other nations.

    Gee and look at all those anti-semitic laws they are passing in Austria. No wonder Irving headed over there…oh wait………

    60% of Palestinians reject Israel.

    Considering that Israel is “one racist nation” which wants to “erase the arabs,” (thus rendering the Arabs blameless).

    How many democratic/civilized countries have an over policy of Ethnic Cleansing. When the Serbs talk about it, it’s regarded as the epitome of evil. When Israel promotes this approach, critics are dismissed as missing the context. How convenient.

    Bizarre how you never thought to ask how many Israeli’s reject as Palestinian state? Probably a good deal more than 60% if it also meant the handing back of the occupied territories.

    Must be so frustrating for you Comical to watch your arguments disappear in a puff of smoke from the lightest of securitization.

  • Chris

    Hamas's incompetence does not excuse it from its stance.

    Addamo fails to learn that the motto of the Palestinian has always been racist. Answers to his bullshit? Why bother?

    Israel can not come close to matching the horror of the racist arab nations and their human rights message.

  • Addamo

    Hamas’s incompetence does not excuse it from its stance

    On the contrary. Hamas is extremely competent. It has excelled in delivering efficient many public services to the Paletstinian people. Of course, talking about that and suggesting that it may have had much to do with their election success is not as inflammatory as bandying the genocide word around.

    Addamo fails to learn that the motto of the Palestinian has always been racist. Answers to his bullshit? Why bother?

    Because you are not up to it. Face it. The only thing you’ve mastered is how to watch a slow moving boats.

    Israel can not come close to matching the horror of the racist Arab nations and their human rights message.

    Are we talkign abotu Arab natins or Hamas? The greates killer in the world in the US after all. So the Chris tries to slip one past us by suggesting that a racist message is somehow worse than murder, based on racism itself. Common Chris, even you can do better than that.

  • captain

    The irony is that Israelis can say the most apalling things about their own society without fear of state retaliation. Can this be said in any Muslim or arab society?

    Even more ironic is the fact that the palestinians have just elected the most blatantly racist and bigotted organisation to represent them. Where are the descriptions of the palestinians being a racist nation? Perhaps it is just so obviously so that it goes without saying.

    Compare the views of Hamas with the mainstream Israeli societies. Hamas openly calls for the wholesale killing of Jews. Imagine the scandal if Kadima called for this. Their policy is disengagement. Hamas' policy is suicide bombing. Israel calls for negotiation. Hamas calls for murder.

    According to Adammo, Hamas is extremely competent. They said that Mussolini and Hitler were very efficient. I would suggest that this is not a good benchmark.

    The arab world is notoriously racist. Look at what is happening right now in Afghanistan when a country is ruled by Sharia law. Kill the Christians. Destroy the Budhas. Kill the homosexuals and trade union leaders. Kill the editors. And these are the totalitarian pricks that Israel fights on a daily basis.

  • Comical_Ali

    If you are refering to the israeli governments policy of throwing Jews out of their homes and getting nothing in return (as a way of appeasing murderous terrorist groups) when you say that it has an "over policy of Ethnic Cleansing," than I cant argue with that.

    Otherwise please show any Israeli government policy which calls for throwing arabs out of their homes. It want be hard, consdering that its "overt" as you claim.

    Considering that the Palestinian and arab-israeli populations in Israel and the territories, are experience the fastest growth in the Arab world and have the longest life expectancy rate – there must be one hell of an ethnic cleansing going on.

    Which brings me back to an earlier point-

    Of course, if they really had such intentions in mind, than considering their overall military might, this whole conflict would have come to an end 30 or possibly sixty years ago, with no Arab left within the vicinity of the Holy Land. The trouble with people like Loewenstein who make such loaded statements, is that they were never able to adequetly explain why this didn’t happen.

  • orang

    I haven't been to this site for a while , and now I see it's turned it a right wing zionist blogg.
    Antony are you still here?

  • Antony Loewenstein

    Roger.
    Just the ever-dwindling number of Zionist apologists looking back in anger…

  • Comical_Ali

    must be hard trying to back up empty parroted rhetoric with facts when directly confronted, isnt it?

    Not that you deserve sympathy

  • captain

    Come on Ant, tell me how it is Zionist apologia to point out that Hamas has a policy of killing Jews??? Hamas is openly racist and antisemitic and yet you don't seem concerned about this at all. Surely it is you who is the Jihadi apologist?! Why aren't you concerned about the racism of Muslim and the Arab world?

  • Will Full

    Captain, oh my Captain.

    Hamas has a policy of killing Jews, you say. How come the figures show that 7 Palestinians are killed by the IDF (men, women and children) for every one Israeli killed by all the groups of resistance fighters struggling against occupation?

    The policy of Israeli regarding Palestinians, while unstated, is clear and far more successful!

  • Comical_Ali

    Care to explain the strange & ironic phenomenon as to why more Israeli women and children were proportionally killed than those on the Palestinian side? Why do women and children make 70% of Israeli dead whilst a similar percentage of combatants, suicide bombers and collaborators (killed by other Palestinians) make up the Palestinian death toll?

    And while you are at it, there is another strange phenomenon which needs some serious explaining – considering Israel's overall military might, why is the Palestinian population experiencing the highest growth in the Arab world, having the highest life expectancy rates among Arabs? That’s in the context of Israel being subsequently accused by its detractors of being morally equivalent to, if not worse than Hamas – committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. I have repeatedly asked this question here and as yet have not received one answer.Very strange indeed.

  • captain

    Hamas has a policy of killing Jews, you say.

    No, they say. I merely quoted them.

    How come the figures show that 7 Palestinians are killed by the IDF (men, women and children) for every one Israeli killed by all the groups of resistance fighters struggling against occupation?

    Israel thwarts many terrorist attacks. palestinians invite civilian casualties as a tactic. palestinian gunmen gutlessly hide behind their women and children. They do not identify themselves as combattants. This is a war crime. They should be prosecuted for the extent of the palestinian casualties that they have caused.

    The policy of Israeli regarding Palestinians, while unstated, is clear and far more successful!

    Israel is a heterogeneous society with many views. Like any other democracy (and there are many arab and muslim candidates in the recent election), there is no possibility of a hidden motive. Israel has elected both leftist and rightist governments to deal with this situation. The same people who elected the Oslo architects also elected Sharon. Therefore you can't say there is any clear agenda.

  • Will Full

    The Palestinians invite casualties as a tactic?There is no possibility of (Israel) having a hidden motive? Are you crazy?

    Israeli apologists will say anything. Then, of course, they elected Sharon, a war criminal. Sadly, Olmert, the successor, appears to be a clone.

    And Israel wonders why it is hated.

  • edward squire

    Will Full Mar 27th, 2006 at 9:11 pm

    Are you crazy?

    Yes, he is crazy, but I wouldn't have it any other way. It's wall to wall hilarity when The Captain (Oh My Captain) is On The Post.

  • captain

    Israel does not wonder why it is hated. People hated Jews throughout history.

    I suppose there is a reason that Martin Luther hated Jews. And why the Catholic church hated Jews or why Europe killed most of its Jews. There must also be a reason why England expelled most of its Jews. And why all of the Arab countries expelled most of their Jews too. And no doubt there was a very good reason for the pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe.

    And people wonder why anti-Israel sentiment is understood on a continuum of antisemitism.

  • Chris

    Will Full

    Mar 27th, 2006 at 9:11 pm

    The Palestinians invite casualties as a tactic?There is no possibility of (Israel) having a hidden motive? Are you crazy?

    ************************************************

    No, the Palestinians are crazy:

    Hamas Launches Web Site Encouraging Kids to Become 'Martyrs' Tuesday, March 7, 2006 / 7 Adar 5766

    The Palestinian Authority's ruling Hamas terror group has launched a web site for children, preaching the moral desirability of being a suicide terrorist through cartoons and children's stories.

    The Hamas-run Al-Fateh.net glorifies shahada, martyrdom, and presents the deaths of terrorists attacking Israelis as a time of celebration, according to a report by Palestinian Media Watch.

    One of the stories on the site quotes a mother saying that when she heard her son had become a shahid, a martyr, she bought dates, candies and coffee to give out. An entire section of the site is called "Stories of the Shahids" and the most recently posted story honors Hamas terrorist Naseem Ja'abari, who murdered 16 people when he blew himself up on a bus in Be'er Sheva on August 31, 2004.

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  • Addamo

    Compare the views of Hamas with the mainstream Israeli societies. Hamas openly calls for the wholesale killing of Jews. Imagine the scandal if Kadima called for this. Their policy is disengagement. Hamas’ policy is suicide bombing. Israel calls for negotiation. Hamas calls for murder.

    Just becsue Isrel does not call for th wholsale killing of Palestinians, does nto mean they don’t do it while no one is looking. Israel does nto call for negitaiton, it calls for concessions from the other side with no offer in return.

    According to Adammo, Hamas is extremely competent. They said that Mussolini and Hitler were very efficient. I would suggest that this is not a good benchmark.

    Ah, the ad hominem Nazi referemnce. Where would a Zioist post be without one of those? You argue that Hamas is incompetent, and when it is pointed out how they have been efficient, the Hitler comparison comes out. This must be why the IDF strive so hard to be clumsy and accidently kill so many children. A fine example of self contradiction here.

    Otherwise please show any Israeli government policy which calls for throwing arabs out of their homes.

    Who needs a policy when this is done regardless? Like the US, Israel know that not having an “official” policy means here is no paper trail. We are told the US does not toture, but obviously it does.

    Of course, if they really had such intentions in mind, than considering their overall military might, this whole conflict would have come to an end 30 or possibly sixty years ago, with no Arab left within the vicinity of the Holy Land.

    A very good reason for this. It would have led to Israel’s demise. Israel has survived on the pretext that it is a state that is under threat. This alone has accounted for the massive foreign financing and military aid. They say that if you want to boil a frog, you don’t thow him into a pot of boiling water, you put him in a cold pot and turn up the heart slowly.

    must be hard trying to back up empty parroted rhetoric with facts when directly confronted, isnt it?

    You of all people should know.

    Hamas is openly racist and antisemitic and yet you don’t seem concerned about this at all. Surely it is you who is the Jihadi apologist?! Why aren’t you concerned about the racism of Muslim and the Arab world?

    Racist and anti-Semitic means the same thing, however it always sounds better when you use the two together. No one is appoligisin for the Jihadists, but it neds to be recognized thet thet Jihadi ovement was not born in a vaccum. Like all revol;utionary c0ouases, it is fuelled by injustice, just as was the IRA.

    Care to explain the strange & ironic phenomenon as to why more Israeli women and children were proportionally killed than those on the Palestinian side?

    US supplied precision guided weapons help a great deal I suppose. Do you honestly believe that Ham s would continue to use suicide bombers if they had Us M1 tanks, Apache helicopters, and f-15 fighters at their disposal?

    You seem curious about percentages yet seem to be ignoring the much bigger issue that the IDF kill three times the number of innocents that Hamas do.

    Can’t blame you for seeking out a loophole in the narrative.

    Israel thwarts many terrorist attacks. palestinians invite civilian casualties as a tactic. palestinian gunmen gutlessly hide behind their women and children.

    IDF gunmen gutlessly target pre-pubescent Palestinian children. Perhaps they get a bonus based on the younger the kill. Hiding behind their women and children is not more gutless than hiding inside a tank or the cockpit of an Apache helicopter.

    They do not identify themselves as combatants. This is a war crime. They should be prosecuted for the extent of the Palestinian casualties that they have caused.

    It’s so ludicrous that those carrying state of the art weaponry complain that their opponent don’t stand out tin the open and wave a banner saying “I’m here, come and get me”. The weaker and overwhelmed side will always resort to guerilla warfare, because it is their only option. You seem to be avoiding the obvious issue as usual – that these conflicts take place in the occupied territories, not Israel.

    Israel is a heterogeneous society with many views. Like any other democracy (and there are many arab and muslim candidates in the recent election), there is no possibility of a hidden motive

    .

    No possibility? News flash dufus. governments, all governments lie. Sorry top break the news to you. So you are one of those gimps who bought the crap about WMD in Iraq? About clandestine meetings in Prague that never happened? Hey guys, we got a live one here!!

    Israel has elected both leftist and rightist governments to deal with this situation.

    Absolutely meaningless. Left and Right wing says nothing. The democrats in the US are more right wing that our liberal government on all counts. All of which would be right wing by any other countries standards, even the US.

    Israel does not wonder why it is hated. People hated Jews throughout history.

    Nothing like passing the buck when you have no real defense. You are like the bank robber who is caught and complains to the judge that he was singled out because he was belongs to a minority. You are typical of the mentality that pervades Jewish society that convinces you that the world revolves around you.

    Is this what they teach you in Zionism 101 class? That the world hates you and they are not to be trusted? That this is not about oppression and violence and human rights, but some genetic seed implanted in the Goyim that predisposes them to hate the Jews?

    All religions have experienced persecution through history and Christians for one have experience greater carnage than have Jews.

    And people wonder why anti-Israel sentiment is understood on a continuum of antisemitism.

    No they don’t wonder. It is plainly obvious. The right wing in the Us asked on 911, why do they hate us while the rest of the world rolled their eyes. Same thing with Israel.

    One of the stories on the site quotes a mother saying that when she heard her son had become a shahid, a martyr, she bought dates, candies and coffee to give out

    And Bush quoted a woman last year who has six boys in Iraq, saying that if any of them died, they would have died doing what they know is right. Same shit different society.

  • Chris

    So glad to see that Addamo has come to realize that no matter what Hamas may say in English, they are planning Genocide.

    It is almost astounding (Reading most of Addamo's posts have caused most of us to no longer be amazed at his ignorance) that Addamo equates normal rules of war with some palestinian mother encouraging her son to commit suicide in the hopes of killing Jewish children.

    I assume what is taught in most schools is to ignore those, like Addamo, who make up their facts as they go along.

  • edward squire

    Chris Mar 28th, 2006 at 3:17 am

    So glad to see that Addamo has come to realize that no matter what Hamas may say in English, they are planning Genocide.

    Since HAMAS has come to power have they said anything about a genocide policy in anu language? I really don't know and would very much like to see some sources if they have. I assume you can read Arabic, Chris.

  • Addamo

    So glad to see that Addamo has come to realize that no matter what Hamas may say in English, they are planning Genocide.

    Planning genocide?, of I see. You must have an abundance of evidence to suggest this is about to take place?

    Ever heard of evidence and proof Chris? I appreciate how foreign that concept its to someone who prefers to live in the no reality based world of ideology and indoctrination, but most people do not.

    It is almost astounding (Reading most of Addamo’s posts have caused most of us to no longer be amazed at his ignorance)

    Not ignorant Chris. Unlike you, who has been programmed since birth to see the world through a singular perspective, I have arrived at my stance free of such limitations. Its called perspective and Chirs. I don’t belong to either “side” of the debate.

    that Addamo equates normal rules of war with some palestinian mother encouraging her son to commit suicide in the hopes of killing Jewish children.
    Yes, we know how much you guys hate it when “equating: is applied to you right?

    Are you not equating when you bring up Sudan, or when you point the finger at Hamas every time Israel is criticized? Oh I remember now, it's only OK for you guys to do it.

    I assume what is taught in most schools is to ignore those, like Addamo, who make up their facts as they go along.

    Ah there goes that "assume" word again (i.e. I'm about to talk bullshit but am giving myself wiggle room). You would have to "assume" seeing as you evidently experienced limited education anyway. And I said, I have perspective. You have indoctrination and dogma.

  • Addamo

    Just more evidence than you have regarding your invented bullshit

    I;m not inventing anything, which is why you are unabel to refuse 90% of what i stated without using vulgarity.

    Certainly no wiggle there in that particular fabrication, is there?

    teher is plenty of evidence, such as the shelling of the Un Ccompound at Quana, which was exposed by Fisk.

    No, I haven’t equated, I’ve shown where Arabs are guilty of the same type crimes (and worse) you falsely accuse Israel of performing.

    Wrong. The onyl way to measure the degree of the cries is numbers, and israel is way in front in that regard.

    Programmed at birth? Your ignorance is no longer amazing, just stupid and banal.

  • Addamo

    Programmed at birth? Your ignorance is no longer amazing, just stupid and banal.

    I never expected you to admit to it. No doubt you are not even aware of how indctrinated you have been all your life. How could you?

  • Addamo

    Israel will always be able to repel all threats by maintaining a firm grasp on this situation, preventing Palestinian infiltration into Israel, and ensuring Iran does not make or receive nuclear weapons.

    So once again, Chris proves that there is no threat of Israel’s destruction nor or gencide. See, we’re at the beginning of a new dawn!!\

    and ensuring Iran does not make or receive nuclear weapons.

    By getting the the US to do the job for them of course. Minor detail.

  • edward squire

    Chris Mar 28th, 2006 at 3:17 am

    So glad to see that Addamo has come to realize that no matter what Hamas may say in English, they are planning Genocide.

    Since HAMAS has come to power have they said anything about a genocide policy in ANY language? I really don’t know and would very much like to see some sources if they have. (Since you seem to claim that they do make such claims in Arabic – but not in English, I assume you know this because you can read Arabic. Is that assumption on my part correct?)

  • Chris

    Squire, what is anu language? If an Arabic source is provided to you, you can read it?

    The destruction of Israel, desired by Iran and Hamas, can only be acheived via genocide. That is what they want, but that is what they will never have.

  • Addamo

    The destruction of Israel, desired by Iran and Hamas, can only be acheived via genocide.

    The grand master of tautologies continues his incoherent rants. Way to go Chris, if stuck for something to contribute to the list, just mention the word Genocide.

    Maybe one day you willmanage to think of somethign something meaningful.

    That is what they want, but that is what they will never have.

    Oh thank God for that. Chris finally gets it that Israeli is not under threat after all!! So therefore we can put this nonsense about Genocide to bed right, seeing as it's never going to happen. Glad we sorted that out!

  • Chris

    No one can now doubt Addamo ability to pull shit out of thin air.

    Israel will always be able to repel all threats by maintaining a firm grasp on this situation, preventing Palestinian infiltration into Israel, and ensuring Iran does not make or receive nuclear weapons.

  • Chris

    The Hamas platform calling for the destruction of Israel has not changed and they have stated, since the election, that they will not change.

    I do not know that you have ever made an assumption that later proved correct.

    Let us see if Hamas buckles when their money runs out.

  • edward squire

    So should I take that as a "yes" you do read Arabic (and thus know what HAMAS says in Arabic)?

  • Chris

    I fear seeming to be repetitive, but since you fail to comprehend what is right in front of you, I'll repeat myself: I do not know that you have ever made an assumption that later proved correct.