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Peace on whose terms?

Ismael Haniyyeh, The Guardian, March 31:

Do policymakers in Washington and Europe ever feel ashamed of their scandalous double standards? Before and since the Palestinian elections in January, they have continually insisted that Hamas comply with certain demands. They want us to recognise Israel, call off our resistance, and commit ourselves to whatever deals Israel and the Palestinian leadership reached in the past.

But we have not heard a single demand of the Israeli parties that took part in this week’s elections, though some advocate the complete removal of the Palestinians from their lands. Even Ehud Olmert’s Kadima party, whose Likud forebears frustrated every effort by the PLO to negotiate a peace settlement, campaigned on a programme that defies UN security council resolutions. His unilateralism is a violation of international law. Nevertheless no one, not even the Quartet – whose proposals for a settlement he continues to disregard, as his predecessor Ariel Sharon did – has dared ask anything of him.

47 comments ↪
  • Glenn Condell

    And what's the power behind this double standard? The Lobby, which this week flexed it's muscles, forcing Harvard to demote Stephen Walt from the Deanship of the Kennedy School.

    Third rail, fifth column, but first in terms of dangers the US must negotiate in coming decades. It's a canker that has paralysed the proper exercise of democracy in it's natural home, helping to turn freedom into suspicion and fear.

    The Walt/Mearsheimer piece spells trouble for the Lobby, but to me their nemesis lies in their own arrogance and hubris, neatly encapsulated in Harvard's capitulation to the Jewish donor who funded Walt's chair. They might not detect much obvious reaction to such a move, but each such outrage (the cancellation of the Corrie play is another, the Ashrawi affair here is a good local analogue) adds to the boiling undercurrent of resentment and a growing determination among Americans to wrest the direction of their nation back from a large and powerful cadre of citizens who rate another country's interests higher than America's.

    False accusations of anti-semitism have characterised Zionist reaction to criticism in recent years; if history keeps heading in it's current trajectory, if the US falls into war-ravaged economic ruin, some of the real stuff might emerge. Who will they blame then?

  • Addamo

    Now according to thsi revelatino by Efraim Halevy, who headed Israel's Mossad foreign intelligence service, Hamas offered Israel a 30-year truce in 1997 but it was overtaken by a botched assassination attempt against its now leader, Khaled Meshaal.
    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=161

    Once again, it sheds light on who really wants peace and who otherwise pretends to.

  • captain

    thats nice of the Guardian to publish him at the same time he is applauding a suicide bomber. nice.

  • Will Full

    I'm still trying to come to terms with the idea of double-standards. You mean that America and Israel have two conflicting sets of values and objectives? How much of a shock do you think I can handle?

    I've always thought their actions suggest clearly they have a common purpose: the dissolution of the Palestinian Territories and the Palestinians.

  • Chris

    In 1997, Hamas was a terrorist organization that Israel would not deal with. The 30 year deal was worthless.

    The common purpose of the US and Israel is peace in the Middle east.

    There are no demands on Israeli political parties, such as there are on Hamas, because they have not been deemed to be terroristic.

  • Will Full

    I guess, Chris, seeing that Israel has killed seven times as many Palestinians as the Palestinians have killed Israelis, they, the Israelis, have achieved mega-terrorist status!
    But they are two bit-players compared to America.

  • captain

    Its a pity that Will cant see the difference between terrorists as targets and intentionally killing children in a disco or pizza palour.

    Oh yes, Hamas is very peace loving. How gullible are you guys? Soon I will be hearing how peace loving OBL is. This is what happens when you have a diet of excessive Fisking.

  • Will Full

    Captain, oh my Captain.

    Amazing really, those Palestinians terrorists dressed up as school children, and women, and peace activists, and journalists (according to the Captain, only male terrorists have been shot by the IDF).

    I've seen a lot of television footage showing fathers carrying their children towards poorly equipped Palestinian hospitals. Must have all been actors, though they certainly looked distraught, as any father holding his dying child would.

    The Captain obviously lives on a diet of Israeli propaganda. Mentally and morally, he is near death. May he rest in peace!

  • orang

    Will Full Apr 1st, 2006 at 5:29 pm
    ……… the Israelis, have achieved mega-terrorist status!
    But they are two bit-players compared to America."

    Yes this is very true. See America has an advantage- 89.99% are morons who don't have a clue about what their leaders are doing while Israel has a relatively high % of leftist/liberals …

    Oh I know, you're asking why are they then in Israel? – waiting for the Rapture?

  • orang

    "The Captain obviously lives on a diet of Israeli propaganda. Mentally and morally, he is near death. May he rest in peace!"

    At least let him lie next to Sharon The Undead, where he can be next to immortality.

  • captain

    Thats nice. Wishing me dead. You wouldn't be in Hamas would you? They have the same policies.

    "according to the Captain, only male terrorists have been shot by the IDF"
    Not true. The palestinians have been so consumed with hate, that they teach their children to be shahids ie suicide bombers. When you teach your children to be suicide bombers, make your terrorist leaders heros and encourage death and destruction, well it is a no brainer that children will be killed. The palestinian leadership is entirely responsible for this.

    Palestinian hospitals are only so poorly equiped because they spend their money on guns and bombs rather than anitbiotics. Funny that Arafat got onto the Forbes rich list whilst his people were living in poverty! Funny too that with a whole UN agency dedicated to keeping palestinians destitute and all of those oil rich fellow arabs, that this has been allowed to go on so long. Where is Mrs Arafat again?

    The palestinian leadership should be tried for all of their crimes against their own children.

  • orang

    “viva peace Apr 1st, 2006 at 10:21 pm

    If 40 years after Jordan ill-advisedly invaded Israel, ..”

    It is clear that you are self deluded, otherwise how can you say such ridiculous things?

  • orang

    No No..the Israelis should be tried for crimes against the Pali's. The former Pali leadership should be tried for not giving a fuck and being focused on being rich. Wait a minute this sounds familiar.

  • captain

    For Jew haters like you orang, Israelis or Jews are committing a crime by just existing.

  • viva peace

    If 40 years after Jordan ill-advisedly invaded Israel, and then over 20 years later revoked the citizenship of Palestinians, all they come up with is

    "No plan will ever work without a guarantee, in exchange for an end to hostilities by both sides, of a total Israeli withdrawal from all the land occupied in 1967, including East Jerusalem; the release of all our prisoners; the removal of all settlers from all settlements; and recognition of the right of all refugees to return."

    then they do not deserve to be negotiated with. These condition wre not even acceptable for the world that existed in 1967; tragically, for the Palestinians, 2006 is a universe away from those halcyon Cold War days of Soviet patronage.

    The current Palestinian leadership is living in Disneyland. They have missed the boat. Again.

  • viva peace

    Glen Condell

    Do you have a link that Stephen Walt has been demoted?

  • Addamo

    The bottom line is that Mossad chief Efraim Halevy wrote about the 30 year peace offer in his book. He obviously felt he offer was valid and genuine or he would not have given it any attention.

    That Chris, with his god complex deems the offer to be invalid, flies in the face of an opinion of someone far better positioned to judge.

    Viva, the land grab of 1967 was illegal (Israelis were warned on illegality of settlements in 1967 memo
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1… so whatever justification you come up with for Israel’s conduct really comes down to that finding. The 1997 offer from Hamas (who incidentally grew thank to Israel’s support and financing) was an offer that could have avoided a great deal of bloodshed in hindsight.

    The pattern is plainly obvious. Israel’s leadership undermines peace agreements because it would set in motion events that would lead to them having to give up what they are not prepared to part with.

    As for the stock standard claim that Palestinian children who are killed are all suicide bombers, that is clearly nonsense. None of the half dozen children shot at the past few weeks were wearing suicide vests. If the IDF had even suspected them of doing so, they would have announced it.

    Captain, why do you feel compelled to call those who disagree with you Jews haters or Jews baiters, especially when you are being soundly beaten in the debate?

  • Chris

    The offer was meaningless because it was a terrorist organization. It's like a truce offer from the mafia. You don't deal with criminals.

    The only person to have ever made a claim that anyone has ever stated that "Palestinian children who are killed are all suicide bombers" is Addamo. Please prove that statement. Why are you compelled to lie about these things?

  • Addamo

    The offer was meaningless because it was a terrorist organization. It’s like a truce offer from the mafia. You don’t deal with criminals.

    That borders on meaningless. Hamas are deemed a terrist organisation by their enemies, just as the US is regarded as a terrorist sponsor in it's own right. Israel obviously have dealth with Hamas in the past (especaily after the '67 war when they fiannced Hamas) so declaring that Israel does not deal with terrorist organisations is baltant hypocrisy.

    You don’t deal with criminals.

    Israel haev dealth with many criminals. They dealt with Pollard, and they dealth with Abramoff. Both of whom are now facing time.

    Captain maintains that Palestinian children are brought up to be suicide bombers and that they are killed for this reason. His statement ignored those innocent children that are killed regardless.

  • edward squire

    viva peace Apr 1st, 2006 at 10:21 pm

    they [HAMAS] do not deserve to be negotiated with. These condition wre not even acceptable for the world that existed in 1967

    Acceptable to whom? The occupiers? 'Why are they occupiers at all?' is THE question. I have never seen a straight-up plausible explanation by a Zionist or the Israeli government of the 30-plus year occupation. Is anyone ever going to answer the question?

    The current Palestinian leadership is living in Disneyland.

    Why is it fantasy to expect the occupiers to leave the land which was only ever came under the Israeli government's control through war? If this constitutes fanciful thinking, then an end to the occupation at all constitutes fanciful thinking.

    They have missed the boat. Again.

    But that's the thing: there is no boat and there never was.

  • Addamo

    Viva,

    A while ago youmaintained that Israel had greater claims to the terriroties because Paestine was not recognised as a state by the UN.

    By that rational, the dissefranchisement of all indigenous people's throughout history has been legal, seeing as no international body had recognised sovereignty of those terriroties. Why then are we even bothering with land rights in Oz or in the US?

    Since when did Israel istlef become the sole arbiter of international law? It all comes down to where you want to put the goals posts, but you cna;t continue to deny one of the teams the opportunity to even access the field.

  • Addamo

    I just came across this letter from Stephen M. Walt regarding his apparent demotion.

    Steve:

    The various reports about Harvard's response to my paper are either deeply misleading or simply false.

    First, I was directly involved in the decisions to alter the disclaimer attached to my paper and to remove the logo. This was done in response to some early news stories, which falsely described it as the product of two Harvard researchers, and termed it an "official" study. It was never a case of the Kennedy School or Harvard "distancing" itself from me.

    Second, my decision to step down as academic dean was made months ago. I originally began a three year term in 2002, and agreed to a one-year extension at the Dean's request last year. I made it clear then, and maintained it ever since, that I would end my service as academic dean at the end of this academic year. An announcement was sent to the faculty confirming this fact well over a month ago, and faculty were asked to propose suggestions for my successor. This step was taken long before the article was published (or before I even knew a publication date). The two events are completely unconnected.

    I might add that I feel Harvard and the Kennedy School have behaved admirably in challenging circumstances. Many colleagues have been wonderfully supportive as well (whether they agree with the substance of our article or not). I believe that is true for the University of Chicago as well.

    I hope this clarifies the situation.

    best,

    Stephen Walt

    Stephen M. Walt
    Academic Dean
    John F. Kennedy School of Government Harvard University
    79 John F. Kennedy St.
    Cambridge, MA 02138
    http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/7422020.html

  • orang

    captain Apr 1st, 2006 at 9:20 pm

    "For Jew haters like you orang, Israelis or Jews are committing a crime by just existing."

    Now is that a nice way of saying ….what?

  • orang

    I notice with our resident RWZA (Right Wing Zionist Apologists) their latest orchestrated rantings;

    1) Link OBL to Hamas
    (Aaah nirvana, unfettered war against worldwide terrorirsm is to arrive in Israel. So much to do and so little time)

    2) No Pali children have been killed by the IDF – except suicide bombers.
    (Of course not, they are Pure)

    3) The Pali suicide bombers specifically target Israeli children.
    (Which proves they are evil, and go to (1))

  • captain

    orang prefers to lie rather than consider what has been written.

    Whilst brave pal gunmen surround themselves with women and children, of course there will be casualties. Whilst they use schools and hospitals as bases, of course there will be an impact on service delivery.

    OBL and Hamas have aligned interests.

    orang, do you deny that pal bombers have targetted children? discos, backgammon parlours, pizza parlours. They are evil fuckers who should all meet with lead poisoning.

    I think that orang is the deluded one here.

  • orang

    Such peace loving people and with no partner for peace….
    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/701180.h

    "Witnesses say settlers attacked Palestinian farmers near Nablus
    By Eli Ashkenazi, Haaretz Correspondent

    Palestinian and Israeli witnesses said Saturday that a group of settlers attacked Palestinian farmers near the West Bank city of Nablus on Friday, and that shots were fired in the area. …….

    Palestinian witnesses said Saturday that a group of settlers attacked an elderly Palestinian farmer. ….The man, Sabir Ahmed Ishtaya, 68, from Kfar Salim, near Nablus, left early in the morning to work his fields, witnesses said. When he did not return, family members went searching for him and found him lying wounded in the field…."

  • Addamo

    Whilst brave pal gunmen surround themselves with women and children, of course there will be casualties.

    As opoposed to brave IDF soldiers who fire missiles at those gunmen from f-16 fighters and Apache helicopters.

    Do you think that if those Palestinian gunmen had access to wuch hardware, tehy woud use that too, and hence instantly become "brave" members fothe Palestinian Defence Force?

    Whilst they use schools and hospitals as bases, of course there will be an impact on service delivery.

    While th IDF fire missiles into such "bases" and later claim that it was an accident a la the UN refuge at Quana?

    OBL and Hamas have aligned interests.

    Which is about as specific as saying that David Duke and Kadima have the same interests.

  • captain

    If settlers attack anyone unlawfully, they should be prosecuted. This is in comparison to state sanctioned violence by the PA and its bunch of merry terrorists.

    Addamo if you are really that stupid that you do not see any connection with the Islamist OBL and Hamas, then anything I write will not penetrate your denervated cerebrum.

  • Addamo

    Captain,

    The connection between OBL and Hamas is a vague one. Hamas are puching for a Palestinain state. OBL is puching for the wtidrawl of US troops from the ME and cessation of US support for dicatorships in the ME.

    Yes, OBL and Hamas are in agreement about US support for Israel in their conflict with the Palestinians, but this snetiment is shared by many who have no connection to either Hamas or OBL.

    The pro war advicates are trying to paint all threads of terrorism as being indistinguishable, which is not only simplisitc, but balatantly wrong.

  • Addamo

    Here's an onteresting article:

    Don't Worry – It's Just Another Palestinian Child's Death http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1

    Akaber joins the ranks of over 700 other Palestinian children to be killed by Israeli security forces since September 2000.

    According to the Israeli judge advocate general’s office, only 131 criminal investigations into the unlawful killing and injury of Palestinians by Israeli security forces were opened from September 2000 to June 2005, leading to just 28 indictments and a mere seven convictions. Yet, Israeli human rights group B’Tselem documented the killings of at least 1,722 Palestinians, outside any combat situation, by Israeli soldiers during the same period. According to the Palestinian section of Defence for Children International, more than one-third of those killed were children.

    The sheer fact that the Israeli military are getting away with killing hundreds and hundreds of innocent children, without paying any consequences whatsoever, is so outrageous, so unbelievable, that it paralyses you.

  • captain

    well, clearly the writer was not paralysed. A claim that fits in with other exaggerations.

    Has it not occured to the Jihadi wannabes here that there is no Islamic equivalent of B'Tselem?

    The killing of children is indeed tragic. The PA should take full responsibility for creating a war when negotiations could have achieved a practical solution. But then again what would all these terrorists do if there was nothing to rationalise their actions? Peace spells the end of all terrorist groups and therefore they can not meaningfully negotiate peace as it obliterates their group.

    OBL was an Islamic caliphate and so does Hamas. The reason they want to get rid of all Western influences is precisely the same. You still don't get it, they are reading from the same pages in the Koran. Their war is a religious doctrinal one. Therefore nothing can be negotiated.

  • viva peace

    Addamo

    I am a little disappointed at your poor performance on this thread. Elsewhere you have appeared to be a lot sharper.

    1. Why would anybody expect Israel to negotiate anything with Hamas in 1997? Hamas was merely a terrorist organization, with no formal political role. By your reasoning, the Palestinian Authority, headed by Yasser Arafat, had no legitimacy, and it was Hamas with whom Israel was obliged to negotiate.

    So are you arguing that the whole Oslo process, Camp David, Madrid, etc. are all null and void ab initio? Of course the implication becomes that the current PA, led by Hamas, is equally null and void.

    2.

    By that rational, the dissefranchisement of all indigenous people’s throughout history has been legal, seeing as no international body had recognised sovereignty of those terriroties. Why then are we even bothering with land rights in Oz or in the US?

    As I gather you are not asking this question rhetorically I shall address it. If you think for one moment that land rights issues in the US and Australia have anything whatsoever to do with "international law" you are deluded. These phenomena are purely expressions of fin-de-siecle Anglosphere identity crises; that is, they are propelled by nothing more than local "politics."

  • Chris

    orang

    Apr 2nd, 2006 at 8:17 am

    I notice with our resident RWZA (Right Wing Zionist Apologists) their latest orchestrated rantings;

    2) No Pali children have been killed by the IDF – except suicide bombers.

    (Of course not, they are Pure)

    Please show the relevant post, Or are you lying?

    3) The Pali suicide bombers specifically target Israeli children. (Which proves they are evil, and go to (1))

    Please show the relevant link where is is stated that they are evil, unless that is your opinion. That they specifically target women and children is probably just a reflection of their particular morality.

  • Addamo

    Viva,

    I’m sure you have your lucid days, but this is clearly not one of them.

    By your reasoning, the Palestinian Authority, headed by Yasser Arafat, had no legitimacy, and it was Hamas with whom Israel was obliged to negotiate.

    Wrong. The PA were chosen by Israel after the 1991 Iraq conflict, over the PA representatives because Israel realized that they would be in the overwhelmingly stronger position at the bargaining table.

    So are you arguing that the whole Oslo process, Camp David, Madrid, etc. are all null and void ab initio? Of course the implication becomes that the current PA, led by Hamas, is equally null and void.

    It’s not what I’m saying, it’s what history has proven.

  • Addamo

    Viva,

    I am a little disappointed at your poor performance on this thread. Elsewhere you have appeared to be a lot sharper.

    With all due respects, while I am always interested to hear what you have to contribute, I am not particularly concerned with winning your praises with my "performance". Like others here, I am interested in exchanging ideas and discussing current events, not to draw kudos.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but what I have noticed about you, is your seeming willingness only to share your wisdom when the subject of Israel comes up. That could mean one of the following:

    1. You have nothing to share with respect to other current events
    2. You feel obligated to rush to Israel’s defense, which suggests that you are a member of Israel’s amen corner.

    Is it just me, or do members of Israel’s apologists have a propensity to appoint them selves adjudicators on this forum? Chris has a propensity to dismiss as irrelevant or discredited, any views that contradict his own and now here you are, giving grades for “performance”.

  • Chris

    With all due respect Viva, your assessment is wrong. If you carefully review, you should have never had expectations of a decent performance.

  • Addamo

    Chris,

    You might want to get on the same page as Viva and explain how and when Benny Morris becvase discredited. You did say that didn't you?

  • captain

    Addamo, you are right for a change. Benny morris has never been discredited by historical revisionist nuts.

  • Addamo

    Good stuff Captain,

    Now you might want to pass that onto Chris who seems to believe otherwise.

  • Captain

    Ahem, Addamo, I don't think that you read my post correctly. Why does this not surprise me?

  • Chris

    Good one, Cap. It should not surprise you.

  • Addamo

    So perhaps you might want to pas in onto Viva. Captain and Chris, do you two disagree with Viva Peace and assert that benny Morris has been discredited?

  • Addamo

    ….and while we're on the subject, woudl you be so kind to please poist to a link or an explanation as to hwo and why Morris was discredited.

    Much appreciated fellas.

  • Addamo

    ..oh and one more thing. You woud excuse my assuming that when you were referrign to "historical revisionist nuts" you were referrign to yourselves. Easy mistake after all.

  • Chris

    I don't know that any of your assumptions have ever been proven correct. But they are better than your invented 'facts'.

  • Addamo

    So no link to Benny Morris being discredited Chris. Alas you have dissapointed me once again. Becomming a pattern isn't it? If I didn't you know you better, I would almost think that you made that up as well.

  • Chris

    Disappoint you according to what? I see you've been talking to yourself again.