I don’t think you think you understand the Australian blogging scene. My understanding is that Margo Kingston was a passionate but very unhinged woman who finally had to flee blogging after several very unpleasant sprays of anti-semitic bile, for which she was ultimately sacked from Fairfax. Now that IS saying something given how constitutionally anti-Semitic Fairfax media have always been!

Name where I have posted outright lies?

This is just going round & round in circles. Fisk is a clue for the absolutey clueless.

Actually this is a lie

Abit of an understatement & never mind an apology for posting an outright lie (implicating that Jews were involved – that was after all the context in which it was being discussed.)

Leading Muslim Scholar Tariq Ramadan Denied U.S. Visa to Teach at Notre Dame

Lets go on rewind, just to remind everyone of the context of this discussion. Here is what was said:

You said : Actually, you would probably find that the Palestinian or Pro-Palestinian speaker never made it through immigration or are rarely allowed into the country in the first place. Look at what happened to Robert Fisk last year.

U.S. BARS ROBERT FISK FROM ENTERING COUNTRY
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8800

When was the last time an Israeli or pro Israeli speaker was denied entry to the US? How many Islamic speakers or academics have been denied?

I said : Which leads me back to the question – what does “intimidation” and “slander” from the Jewish lobby, that Antony speaks so much about, entail?

You said: See above.

Ok, I’m looking at the above. First example was Robert Fisk. As said, the fact that it had nothing to do with the “Jewish lobbying” is beside the point – your example was just a complete lie.

Next is Tariq Ramadan. Like the first, what on earth do the decisions of the US government & customs officials have to do with the “Jewish lobby?” Remember, I was asking for specific examples of “slander” & “intimidation” from the “Jewish lobby.” And this is what you come up with? If you want a good example of slander than one can learn from your fine techniques on how to cynically manipulate & distort the facts as well as the context.

Next is Cynthia Mckinney, who is a fine product of Islamist lobbying in the US, getting most of her funding and support from Islamic extremist organisations. Among her most ardent supporters is the racist Islamo-facist Louis Farrakhan.

She lost her seat. Thats called democracy. get over it. Oh, I forgot, democracy is just another conspiracy cooked up by dem joos.

No matter how much you twist, mainpulate and distort the facts & the context, you cant get around the simple fact that no Pro-Palestinian speaker has ever been forced to cancel a speech or denied a platform because of the “Jewish-lobby”(least of all because the police could not guarentee their saftey) whilst pro-Israeli speakers have in fact been denied a platform precisley because of voilent intimidation & slander.

Nor the simple fact that politicians, writers & cartoonists who have gone on the bad side of Islamic governments & Islamist lobby groups in the West, are in permanent hiding. Whilst those who are on the bad-side of the Jewish lobby are not in hiding.

Anyway, on your bike son (or well in your case its a donkey) & get ready for another day of joining your Master in batteling it out with the windmills.

Leading Muslim Scholar Tariq Ramadan Denied U.S. Visa to Teach at Notre Dame
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/13/1428249&mode=thread&tid=25

I just exposed the only example you had as a downright lie. Its the same with all your other postings. I apologise if the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

Name where I have posted outright lies?

Actually this is a lie. I cited another example, Cythia McKinney, and the force that met her when she dared to criticise Israel.

Anyway, an interestoing article by Iri Avnery. As always, Avenry is right on the money. Amazing hwo in the US, any mention of the Israeli lobby is condemned while in Israel it is celebrated.

Who’s the dog? Who’s the tail?
The influnece of the Israel lobby in the USA
http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/uavnery155.htm

You cannot deny that Arab scholars and academics re routinely denied entry to the US, while this has NEVER happened to an Israeli scholar or politician….

name them.

Never been called that before but I am not surprised that having an opinion on this forum that contradicts yours must mean I have a warped agenda.

I just exposed the only example you had as a downright lie. Its the same with all your other postings. I apologise if the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

What is censorship? How do you get your views across if you are denied a platform for your voice to be heard?

It is all very well to sit on one’s high horse and state grandly that people are entitled to their views and this is how to make arguments and discussions, but if you have very few media options to put your points of view, and the media censor those views by not printing or publishing them, then there isn’t much of a forum left.

My own answer has been my own blog, but that is not widely read, so in effect it is merely a means of getting things off my chest.

The Rubenstein issue is one already of long standing and is a disgrace to the Jewish communities of Australia. Organisations which rail against us because we are gay or even worse, if possible, because we are anti-zionist, do NOT represent ALL Jews in Australia.

The following letter was sent to the Australian Jewish News on 1 July 2004 in response to attacks made by Colin Rubenstein against Margo Kingston and Antony Loewenstein because he dared to write an article for the book on the Hanan Ashrawi affair and she dared to publish it in her book, “NOT HAPPY, JOHN”.

Mannie De Saxe, Lesbian and Gay Solidarity, Melbourne, and Jews Against Oppression and Occupation.

Never been called that before but I am not surprised that having an opinion on this forum that contradicts yours must mean I have a warped agenda.

It matters not tat you don’t consider me worth bothering with. I’ll take that as an admission that you are unable to counter the “other” points I raised, which you clearly managed to sidestep.

You repeatedly exhibit an inability to discern the difference between freedom for protest and denying someone a right to speak. You know very well you cannot dispute this so you choose to ignore it by getting on some moral podium and declaring the matters beneath you.

I am not blaming Jews for Frisk’s denial of entry, but he is very much a critic of US foreign policy and Israel.

You cannot not deny that when the Jewish lobby protests an issue, it usually gets it’s way.

Nor can you deny the arrogance and disproportionate influence that a slime ball like Foxman wields when he is able to postpone a meeting with the second most powerful political leader in the US on 3 occasions.

Nor can you deny that the Zionist lobby does routinely intimidate politicians, and does so brazenly, to those who dare to speak out against Israel, such as Cynthia McKinney.

You cannot deny that Arab scholars and academics re routinely denied entry to the US, while this has NEVER happened to an Israeli scholar or politician.

The fact that the “barring” of Fisk from the US has nothing to do with the “Jewish lobby”, is beside the point. Here is a close associate of Fisk’s -

A Message from Jeff Blankfort (pro-Palestinian human rights activist)

Dear Readers,

Robert Fisk was not barred from entering the US because he is who he is, but because he did not have the latest British biometric passport which evaluates eye-scans and that is now required of all British subjects entering the US. I spoke to him while he was at the Toronto airport and he did not want to make a big deal of it. When he returns later to the US in November he will have the new passport. Unfortunately, the incident was mentioned at a speech he gave over TV in Arizona, according to Fisk, and was misinterpreted. The story appeared in the New Mexican and thanks to the internet it has achieved a life of its own. Fisk says it is not a story and shouldn’t be made out to be one.

The rest of your post is really not worth bothering with, as one can expect much the same. Better still your not worth bothering with.

Sure, Loewenstein go right ahead and express your oppossition to Israel & your precieved disgust toward Australia’s Jewish community – but must you do this with lies & sinister misinformation & allow the lies & misinformation of others to appear on your blog without comment?

Comical, you can sugar coat and politically correct that statement al you like, it WAS most definitely a case of pressuring the University and Mayor. If it looks like it, smells like it, tastes like it and walks like it….well you know the rest. If the Mayor and University had any of their own concerns about the event, they probably would never have considered it.

I’m sure such a move would have been oppossed just as vigoursly if not more so by Arab/Islamic organisations, if the Sydney Peace Prize were to have gone to an Ehud Barak or Shimon Peres instead.

Opposed perhaps, but I very much doubt the proptests would have been nearly as successful.

Yet, I don’t ever recall a Palestinian or Pro-Palestinian speaker ever being forced to cancel his or her speech because the police could not guarentee their saftey.

Actually, you would probably find that the Palestinian or Pro-Palestinian speaker never made it through immigration or are rarely allowed into the country in the first place. Look at what happened to Robert Fisk last year.

U.S. BARS ROBERT FISK FROM ENTERING COUNTRY
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8800

When was the last time an Israeli or pro Israeli speaker was denied entry to the US? How many Islamic speakers or academics have been denied?

Which leads me back to the question – what does “intimidation” and “slander” from the Jewish lobby, that Antony speaks so much about, entail?

See above.

Which leads to more questions – are we confusing this with the right to express objections and ask questions?

You appear to be confusing “the right to express objections and ask question” with the right to deny other the right to be heard. Certainly, the Zionist lobbied are sophisticated enough to make sure their activates remain in the background, but juts as was the case with the Rachel Corrie play being “postponed” in new York, they are effective enough to maintain a degree of deniability.

And why should “Jewish-lobbying” be so unique from the lobbying efforts of other groups?

They are unique in the power they exert and their ability to shut down debate. Maybe they are not the most vocal, but most certainly the most effective

Are Jewish groups really so intimidating that people are forced to go into hiding with 24/7 police protection, just like they do from Arab/Islamist lobby groups?

Intimidating that someone like Abe Foxman can postpone a meeting g tithe Secretary of State in the Us on three occasions and still get away with it. They are effective enough that people like the Democratic leader, Nancy Pelosi, can stand in front of an audience with hand on heart and say “I choose Israel”.

They are intimidating enough that any politician or main stream journalists knows that criticism Israel is akin to career suicide.

They are intimidating enough that, as Uri Avnery writes, the Lobby is not only prepared to punish any politician that dares criticize Israel. But make a public example of them, as they did with Cynthia McKinney.

Clearly the answer is in the affirmative…BIG TIME.