Wacko, we're gonna have some fun punishing them for this!

There'll be round the clock special flights from the US to Israel, squadrons of military cargo planes laden with "goodies" for the Pali's and the Lebs.

Please don't take any of this personally. You strike me as honoroubel and sincere.

It's simply that in this game of action and reaction spanning the better part of the last century, it strikes most of us as incredibly futile to define the conflict in terms of a beginning, middle and end. While I do not dispute that you are accurately reporting what some historians have documented, there is no disputing that there war violence in the region before 1948, and similarly enthic and tribal tensions and territorial disputes.

The 1948 date seems so arbitrary. given that the Irgun were operating between 1931 to 1948.

Then there are the causes of wars. Again I assume, what is getting to you Orang is that somehow that statement denies those causes you believe brought war to this part of the world. It doesn’t so there is no need to be angry. That statement simply identifies a particular event at a point in time that is identified as the start of that war.

How to derive a claim to purity for I assume Jews out of it is another struggle for me. It must be exhausting hating so much.

And, miraculously, we don't know how, but by the grace of God, here we were surrounded by hostile Arabs, we managed to win that war, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that and the one after (how many is that? There was the miracle, the Caussus Belli, the Pre-Emptive strike, 1973 we got lucky, 1982 we kicked arse in Lebanon, does anyone remember them all?)

A joke about Beirut airport is of course a different matter.

I don’t get your point re

“The Land of Israel (Hebrew ארץ ישראל Eretz Yisrael) is a concept in Jewish and Christian thought concerning the area today most closely associated with the State of Israel throughout its history, from Biblical times to the present day.”

though I guess this might have had something to do with the railroading of that resolution.

“On the day following the adoption of the UN resolution seven Jews were killed by Arabs in Palestine in three separate incidents: at 8 o'clock in the morning, in what came to be seen as the opening shots of the 1948 War’

I am aware that the argument about the nature of the State of Israel has been had again and again here. I could only repeat what has been said, and rejected.

Notice ;

"THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives…"

Notice it says "the agencies". See how clever that is. It doesn't say "all the agencies" so this means it can be uncooperative. See how it works?

Similarly it doesn't have to withdraw from "the territories", because we took the "all" out. Aren't we so fucking clever? I can't believe how fucking clever we are. And pure too. Don't forget pure.

While on the subject Ros, I came across this morsel.

Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/declare.htm

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

Whatever happened to this part Ros?

Or this bit?

THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

You don’t think holding the CIA and MI6 responsible for the global drug trade is a bit out there. No, you have to be joshing.

Only if you stil believe in the tooth fairy Ros.

If your comment was in passing, I appologise for my overt reaction, but you appeared to linger on the statement more than once, suggesting you had a point to make.

There are bad seeds everywhere, at every level. There are Palestinians do bad things to other Palesrtinians. Dare I say it, I'm sure there are peopel willing to do the wong thing by Jews who themselves happen to be Jews.

In the context of life and death, a minor quip seems hardly justified now does it?

Note, a passing comment. It was Orang that went ballistic. A courteous explanation means Addamo has to launch into a non-sequitor as a demonstration of my perfidy. And somehow George Bush, is he a shareholder in these cement companies? And then there are the whores. Probably not in the Gaza actually Orang. Hamas has very strong views about women and their place and roles in society.

What straw? For what? Incriminating, to whom for what?

No comment, not even a minor throw away quip, that might suggest the Palestinians have some less than perfect individuals amongst them who don’t particularly care about their fellow citizens may be tolerated? After all it is not as if I tried to stereotype and call the Palestinians greedy or money grubbing as a people.

You don’t think holding the CIA and MI6 responsible for the global drug trade is a bit out there. No, you have to be joshing.