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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/07/17/whats-israels-real-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-8109</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcom Adam,

Good to have you here.  Ignore Captain - he&#039;s a mentally deranged patient who refuses to take his medicatino , but he is entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcom Adam,</p>
<p>Good to have you here.  Ignore Captain &#8211; he&#8217;s a mentally deranged patient who refuses to take his medicatino , but he is entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/07/17/whats-israels-real-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-8108</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price for peace has been laid bare - territory - my Zinazi fascist maggot.

Israel is not defending itself.  It is the Lebanese who are being evacuated, not Israel.  It is Lebanon being destroyed nto Israel.

Since when does defending Israel include ordering 20 villages to leave their homes then as they are leaving, have an Israeli F-16 bomb the convoy and incinerate the occupants.  That&#039;s pure, outright and wanton murder - and boy you are so enjoying it aren&#039;t you Captain?

Israel should declare it;s borders if it really wants to defend them - but then again, maybe Israel considers Gaza and Lebanon to reside within those borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price for peace has been laid bare &#8211; territory &#8211; my Zinazi fascist maggot.</p>
<p>Israel is not defending itself.  It is the Lebanese who are being evacuated, not Israel.  It is Lebanon being destroyed nto Israel.</p>
<p>Since when does defending Israel include ordering 20 villages to leave their homes then as they are leaving, have an Israeli F-16 bomb the convoy and incinerate the occupants.  That&#8217;s pure, outright and wanton murder &#8211; and boy you are so enjoying it aren&#8217;t you Captain?</p>
<p>Israel should declare it;s borders if it really wants to defend them &#8211; but then again, maybe Israel considers Gaza and Lebanon to reside within those borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so agree with the comments made on this topic (apart from Captain) and I can’t believe people usually classify these reports as conspiracy theories when in fact they make more sense when you see the same reports actually being put into place.  

Like take for example Iraq, before 9/11 which created the perfect foundation to get the “long war into action, in reshaping Middle East” there were reports emerging that George W Bush coming into power would mean completing the work his farther had started.  Anyway the reports before 9/11 circulating was that Israel had regional enemies and their most deadly from the list (of Arab countries) was Iraq.  

The reports indicated that to diminish the treat from Iraq, Iraq would need to be divided into 3 states, North would be for the Kurdish, the middle would be for Sunni population and the South would be for the Shias.  Well today we see that taking shape by Sunni fighting with the north and south in practically a civil war.  A civil war is needed before the leaders are pushed into defining Iraq into 3 states once again (just like a World War was needed to break the Ottoman Empire into mini states, weakening the threat from a long time enemy called Islam).

So, what an excuse Israel has (supported wholeheartedly by the western powers) to win public support from the western nations in thinking that Israel is the poor country which is fighting for its very existence.  The reality is far from it.  Iraq does not even have a Police force let alone an International army, it cannot control the affairs in its own back garden let alone attack Israel now.  So Iraq is practically ticked off from the Israel enemy list.  Who’s next?

Attacking Iran and Syria is not that simple as one of these two countries are next on this enemy list, but indirectly dragging them in will always work.  Today’s news reports keep emphasizing that the weapons arsenal Hezbollah have are given by Syria or Iran, well what about the arsenal Israel has?  Has that not come from America to be used at Israel’s will on the Muslims?  So just like Israel is hating Iran and Syria likewise people of the Arab nation are hating Israel and America for a joint effort in reshaping the Arab land once again after World War I and II.  

No one can predict every step of this recent deliberate war started by Israel, but one can be sure that its not just about Israel soldiers being kidnapped but rather a perfect excuse to set yet again new foundations which will change the Middle East once again.  

If it has taken couple of Israel soldiers to be captured for this war to have started, how simple do you think it will be to drag Iran and Syria into this conflict?  This conflict is World War 2.5 (without Syria and Iran) but very soon it will become World War 3.

I guess by destroying Lebanon (and its entire infrastructure) maybe some miracle way in eliminate Hezbollah or at least from Israel and western view point.  The current action from Israel (and its supporters) will only increase the urge for the Muslims to re-establish an Islamic State with one nation (much like Ottoman Empire) which was at least more secure than the current situation that the divided Muslim nations face.

To the author of this article/blog keep up the good work, and I will be sending my mates your blog url as I find it very interesting indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so agree with the comments made on this topic (apart from Captain) and I can’t believe people usually classify these reports as conspiracy theories when in fact they make more sense when you see the same reports actually being put into place.  </p>
<p>Like take for example Iraq, before 9/11 which created the perfect foundation to get the “long war into action, in reshaping Middle East” there were reports emerging that George W Bush coming into power would mean completing the work his farther had started.  Anyway the reports before 9/11 circulating was that Israel had regional enemies and their most deadly from the list (of Arab countries) was Iraq.  </p>
<p>The reports indicated that to diminish the treat from Iraq, Iraq would need to be divided into 3 states, North would be for the Kurdish, the middle would be for Sunni population and the South would be for the Shias.  Well today we see that taking shape by Sunni fighting with the north and south in practically a civil war.  A civil war is needed before the leaders are pushed into defining Iraq into 3 states once again (just like a World War was needed to break the Ottoman Empire into mini states, weakening the threat from a long time enemy called Islam).</p>
<p>So, what an excuse Israel has (supported wholeheartedly by the western powers) to win public support from the western nations in thinking that Israel is the poor country which is fighting for its very existence.  The reality is far from it.  Iraq does not even have a Police force let alone an International army, it cannot control the affairs in its own back garden let alone attack Israel now.  So Iraq is practically ticked off from the Israel enemy list.  Who’s next?</p>
<p>Attacking Iran and Syria is not that simple as one of these two countries are next on this enemy list, but indirectly dragging them in will always work.  Today’s news reports keep emphasizing that the weapons arsenal Hezbollah have are given by Syria or Iran, well what about the arsenal Israel has?  Has that not come from America to be used at Israel’s will on the Muslims?  So just like Israel is hating Iran and Syria likewise people of the Arab nation are hating Israel and America for a joint effort in reshaping the Arab land once again after World War I and II.  </p>
<p>No one can predict every step of this recent deliberate war started by Israel, but one can be sure that its not just about Israel soldiers being kidnapped but rather a perfect excuse to set yet again new foundations which will change the Middle East once again.  </p>
<p>If it has taken couple of Israel soldiers to be captured for this war to have started, how simple do you think it will be to drag Iran and Syria into this conflict?  This conflict is World War 2.5 (without Syria and Iran) but very soon it will become World War 3.</p>
<p>I guess by destroying Lebanon (and its entire infrastructure) maybe some miracle way in eliminate Hezbollah or at least from Israel and western view point.  The current action from Israel (and its supporters) will only increase the urge for the Muslims to re-establish an Islamic State with one nation (much like Ottoman Empire) which was at least more secure than the current situation that the divided Muslim nations face.</p>
<p>To the author of this article/blog keep up the good work, and I will be sending my mates your blog url as I find it very interesting indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/07/17/whats-israels-real-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-8086</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Maggot is at it again,

Could it be to wipe out its 600 million neighbours?
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Or could it be to live in peace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Isrfael has never wanted peace, becasue it was never willing to pay the price for peace.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
No that would be too simple and it lacks a conspiracy. Only conspiracies carry any weight here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Israel&#039;s actions speak louder than words.  They bombed the beach in Gaza and lied aboit it.  They atatcked Hamas under teh guide of resuing an IDF soldeir, but noen of their actions are consistent with a rescue mission.

They attacked Lebanon, then Hezbollah captures 2 more IDf soldiers adn now Israel is arguing that it is destroying Lebanon becase of the capture of those soldiers.  Another proveable lie.

Pull your head out of your arse Captain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Maggot is at it again,</p>
<p>Could it be to wipe out its 600 million neighbours?</p>
<blockquote><p>
Or could it be to live in peace.</p></blockquote>
<p>Isrfael has never wanted peace, becasue it was never willing to pay the price for peace.</p>
<blockquote><p>
No that would be too simple and it lacks a conspiracy. Only conspiracies carry any weight here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Israel&#8217;s actions speak louder than words.  They bombed the beach in Gaza and lied aboit it.  They atatcked Hamas under teh guide of resuing an IDF soldeir, but noen of their actions are consistent with a rescue mission.</p>
<p>They attacked Lebanon, then Hezbollah captures 2 more IDf soldiers adn now Israel is arguing that it is destroying Lebanon becase of the capture of those soldiers.  Another proveable lie.</p>
<p>Pull your head out of your arse Captain.</p>
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		<title>By: boredinHK</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/07/17/whats-israels-real-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-8078</link>
		<dc:creator>boredinHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smiths , thanks ,another great article in the http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm link. 
No amount or military victories will ensure peace ? Weird,sort of mystical thinking .
I&#039;m not sure the mullahs in Tehran won&#039;t risk a limited military engagement . Solidifies their backing , exposes the weakness of the other  if the ruling elite  survive and as a stategy it is tried and true  rulers in many different places.
I&#039;m also thinking the Haaretz articles about it being a cover to delay action on the nuclear issue may have some validity .Very risky plan of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smiths , thanks ,another great article in the <a href="http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.iasps.org/strat1.htm?referer=');">http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm</a> link.<br />
No amount or military victories will ensure peace ? Weird,sort of mystical thinking .<br />
I&#8217;m not sure the mullahs in Tehran won&#8217;t risk a limited military engagement . Solidifies their backing , exposes the weakness of the other  if the ruling elite  survive and as a stategy it is tried and true  rulers in many different places.<br />
I&#8217;m also thinking the Haaretz articles about it being a cover to delay action on the nuclear issue may have some validity .Very risky plan of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm what could be Israel&#039;s agenda. Could it be to wipe out its 600 million neighbours? Or could it be to live in peace. No that would be too simple and it lacks a conspiracy. Only conspiracies carry any weight here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm what could be Israel&#8217;s agenda. Could it be to wipe out its 600 million neighbours? Or could it be to live in peace. No that would be too simple and it lacks a conspiracy. Only conspiracies carry any weight here.</p>
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		<title>By: smiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and of course that doesnt cover the attempts to provoke syria and iran,

isnt it obvious enough, iran does not want war with america or israel, 
america is doing everything it can with its special friend israel to create war with iran,

you would have to have a viewpoint so warped as to be deranged not to be able to see this from western media coverage,

and listening to the likes of captain and viva peace is like seeing the adoring cheering crowds on the side of the road as the nazis parade past, on the way to attack everyone because they&#039;re culture and values were better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and of course that doesnt cover the attempts to provoke syria and iran,</p>
<p>isnt it obvious enough, iran does not want war with america or israel,<br />
america is doing everything it can with its special friend israel to create war with iran,</p>
<p>you would have to have a viewpoint so warped as to be deranged not to be able to see this from western media coverage,</p>
<p>and listening to the likes of captain and viva peace is like seeing the adoring cheering crowds on the side of the road as the nazis parade past, on the way to attack everyone because they&#8217;re culture and values were better</p>
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		<title>By: smiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well to say there is no blue print is naive at best,
take for example this 1996 document
&lt;strong&gt;
on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000,&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by:

    * striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.

    * paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.

    * striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

of course the issue of syrian targets in lebanon was removed with the hariri assasination which syria obviously commited because they wanted to totally screw up there position in lebanon and increase they&#039;re chances of being obliterated by america

it is influenced and predated by

&lt;strong&gt;A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.
The first massive Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1978 bore this plan out to the minutest detail. The second and more barbaric and encompassing Israeli invasion of Lebanon on June 6, 1982, aims to effect certain parts of this plan which hopes to see not only Lebanon, but Syria and Jordan as well, in fragments. This ought to make mockery of Israeli public claims regarding their desire for a strong and independent Lebanese central government. More accurately, they want a Lebanese central government that sanctions their regional imperialist designs by signing a peace treaty with them. They also seek acquiescence in their designs by the Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian and other Arab governments as well as by the Palestinian people. What they want and what they are planning for is not an Arab world, but a world of Arab fragments that is ready to succumb to Israeli hegemony.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?p=2248
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/zionist_plan_for_the_middle_east.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well to say there is no blue print is naive at best,<br />
take for example this 1996 document<br />
<strong><br />
on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000,</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by:</p>
<p>    * striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.</p>
<p>    * paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.</p>
<p>    * striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.iasps.org/strat1.htm?referer=');">http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm</a></p>
<p>of course the issue of syrian targets in lebanon was removed with the hariri assasination which syria obviously commited because they wanted to totally screw up there position in lebanon and increase they&#8217;re chances of being obliterated by america</p>
<p>it is influenced and predated by</p>
<p><strong>A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.<br />
The first massive Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1978 bore this plan out to the minutest detail. The second and more barbaric and encompassing Israeli invasion of Lebanon on June 6, 1982, aims to effect certain parts of this plan which hopes to see not only Lebanon, but Syria and Jordan as well, in fragments. This ought to make mockery of Israeli public claims regarding their desire for a strong and independent Lebanese central government. More accurately, they want a Lebanese central government that sanctions their regional imperialist designs by signing a peace treaty with them. They also seek acquiescence in their designs by the Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian and other Arab governments as well as by the Palestinian people. What they want and what they are planning for is not an Arab world, but a world of Arab fragments that is ready to succumb to Israeli hegemony.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?p=2248" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?p=2248&amp;referer=');">http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?p=2248</a><br />
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		<title>By: JohD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no blueprint, only madness in the method. The idea is to achieve politicide, since no Arab leader, of whatever ideology, can champion the Israeli cause. So no leader is to emerge, except those that don&#039;t care a hoot about western public opinion and who can be demonised as savages. The hope is that from the chaos, a stronger Israel will emerge. It is an insane strategy, and the last roll of the dice for Israel. The theory is that the Arabs are so backward that they are unable to devise tactics that can inflict reall damage to Israel. How wrong they are, Israel will find itself in a cauldron from which it will never emerge. 

I think Anthony is wrong, although they are allies, Israel does not take orders from the US. This propensity to blame the US for all Israel&#039;s atrocities seems to be the prevailing thesis amongst Chomsky adherents. It is probably residual ethnocentrism, but hardly a fatal sin. Someone has to stand up for the Jews, and personnally, rather them than the unreconstructed Racist Israel uber alles crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no blueprint, only madness in the method. The idea is to achieve politicide, since no Arab leader, of whatever ideology, can champion the Israeli cause. So no leader is to emerge, except those that don&#8217;t care a hoot about western public opinion and who can be demonised as savages. The hope is that from the chaos, a stronger Israel will emerge. It is an insane strategy, and the last roll of the dice for Israel. The theory is that the Arabs are so backward that they are unable to devise tactics that can inflict reall damage to Israel. How wrong they are, Israel will find itself in a cauldron from which it will never emerge. </p>
<p>I think Anthony is wrong, although they are allies, Israel does not take orders from the US. This propensity to blame the US for all Israel&#8217;s atrocities seems to be the prevailing thesis amongst Chomsky adherents. It is probably residual ethnocentrism, but hardly a fatal sin. Someone has to stand up for the Jews, and personnally, rather them than the unreconstructed Racist Israel uber alles crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: boredinHK</title>
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		<dc:creator>boredinHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Jewish state aims to redesign the Middle East through the barrel of a gun, imposing its will through the killing of civilians and destruction of civilian infrastructure. The result will be the strengthening of both Hamas and Hezbollah, and rising stature of Syria and Iran.&quot;
Could we get a few thoughts on the redesign ?
Syria to get a new leader ? Iran to be bombed ?
Lebanon to hold fresh elections within 3 months ?
Anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Jewish state aims to redesign the Middle East through the barrel of a gun, imposing its will through the killing of civilians and destruction of civilian infrastructure. The result will be the strengthening of both Hamas and Hezbollah, and rising stature of Syria and Iran.&#8221;<br />
Could we get a few thoughts on the redesign ?<br />
Syria to get a new leader ? Iran to be bombed ?<br />
Lebanon to hold fresh elections within 3 months ?<br />
Anything?</p>
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