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Debate opens

Last night on ABC Lateline, there was a feature story about the role of the Zionist lobby in shaping US foreign policy, and a discussion of my forthcoming book, My Israel Question (read the transcript here.)

I then debated AIJAC’s Ted Lapkin (read the transcript here.)

It was an interesting experience. There are few opportunities on national television to openly challenge the accepted Zionist narrative as well as revealing the nature of Israel’s brutal occupation of Palestine (no matter how desperate Lapkin was to defend the indefensible.)

In the last ten hours, I have received many dozens of messages from around the country, offering support, advice and personal anecdotes. This confirms that there are many concerned citizens who feel distinctly uncomfortable with Israeli actions in Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon.

  • Antony, you were excellent on Lateline – well done! What's happening in Lebanon is a disgrace… and I agree with the other write who said imagine what would happen if the tables were turned and it was happening in Israel? Shocking – and the world watches.

    Keep up the good work – as they say !

  • Ros

    If you check you will see that I agree that the colonial powers Britain and France established most of these states.

    Who is demanding the destruction of Israel?

    “This is out promise from UK citizens. Shame on you Israel and I hope you vanish like Hitler and his regime did.”

    Not only does he hope for the abolition of Israel, he draws the analogy between Israel and Nazi Germany. Where would the Jews of Israel go I wonder in Adam's preferred outcome for the world.

    You worked out who was the author of the quote “he tries to bring nations into a state of unrest” and whom he referred to? Adam in his quest for knowledge should extend his reading.

    Heard of Tibet. Iran doesn’t claim a mantle of victimhood? Iran doesn’t declare itself a democracy? Is it a love of democracy that inspires the hatred of Israel, I don’t think so.

    Not a non sequitur to what I was saying. That the foundation of the hatred of Israel is a hatred of Jews. Note, not disagreement with the actions of Israel, hatred of Israel.

    You don’t know very much about the ME states treatment of the crime of rape? But then I guess that the crimes that you condemn Israel for matter more to you, because the cruelty and immorality of the ME’s treatment of their own women has been proved often enough. A minor wrong obviously. So your moral code is the only moral code? Certainly the only moral code by which you allow Jews may live, or die.

    What do you mean

    extra judicial assassinations (the only country in the world that reserves this right).

    Israel does not claim the right to carry out extra judicial killings, Israel claims the right to kill its enemies in war. Syria just lies and says it didn’t do it, eg Hariri, or are you one of the proponents of the conspiracy theory that Israel did it. That’s when they are not letting off atomic bombs to kill Muslims with tsunamis, with their mates the Hindus and Yanks.

    Adam just hates. But at least you concede that for you no other state matches the evil that you see in Israel. But not because the majority of the citizens of Israel are Jewish of course. A bold call. But if Israel was not a majority Jewish state, you would still loathe the place as much?

    You never bought the argument that Israel faces real dangers. As to the rest of the world, if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

  • Comical_Ali


    Not only does he hope for the abolition of Israel, he draws the analogy between Israel and Nazi Germany. Where would the Jews of Israel go I wonder in Adam’s preferred outcome for the world.

    To quote Adam:

    Whether we like it or not, Israeli have done to the Muslims the same as what Hitler did to the Jews, the only real difference is that the Israeli go about doing it in a calm and clever manor whereas Hitler decided to go about it the exact opposite…Shame on you Israel and I hope you vanish like Hitler and his regime did.

    Did someone say Holocaust industry?

    I replied to Adam earlier on this thread –

    B/thw, how is your PhD on virtual reality going?

  • Addamo_01


    Not only does he hope for the abolition of Israel, he draws the analogy between Israel and Nazi Germany. Where would the Jews of Israel go I wonder in Adam’s preferred outcome for the world.

    Adam will have to answer that for himself.

    Iran doesn’t claim a mantle of victimhood?

    Apart from stating quite properly that the international community is violating the No Proliferation Treaty, when Iran itself has upheld it’s compliance. Or that the US insists Iran has no right to a nuclear power industry, but I wouldn’t say Iran considers itself persecuted or facing an imminent threat of persecution based on the country’s religious identity.

    Iran doesn’t declare itself a democracy? Is it a love of democracy that inspires the hatred of Israel, I don’t think so.

    It definitely does not hold itself up as a model of Western style democracy. And while there is no love lost between Iran and Israel, the so alleged call for Israel to be whipped off the face of the map was in fact debunked.

    You don’t know very much about the ME states treatment of the crime of rape?
    Ros, let’s be frank here. We are both here to discuss Isarel. You complain that Israel is being singled out on this forum, yet is stands to reason that you probably would not have come to this blog had Israel not been the main topic of discussion. That’s a fair comment no?

    So no, I do not condone the cruelty that takes place in muslin countries, and I have in fact been a strong critic of women’s rights in those countries. The fact is that in the greater scheme of things right now, women’s rights pale in comparison. What use is ti to talk about women’s rights when people of both genders and ages are dying in the thousands in Iraq and the hundreds in Gaza/Lebanon.

    The US claimed to be championing women’s rights when it invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, and what has become of both societies for women? Need I say more?
    Israel does not claim the right to carry out extra judicial killings, Israel claims the right to kill its enemies in war.

    You know better than that Ros. Stop being coy.

    Syria just lies and says it didn’t do it, eg Hariri

    If it was such an open and shut case, then why has no one been able to prove it? You know the saying, Qui Bono? Yes I know that I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but who did benefit from the Hariri assassination?

    Just recently, Lebanon reportedly broken a spy ring that was plotting to murder Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of militant group Hezbollah, on behalf of Israel.

    When Hariri was killed, Syria was pressured to leave Lebanon, thereby clearing the way for a new and impotent government, as well and leaving Lebanon vulnerable to Israel’s attack. Do you really believe that was a coincidence?

    Maybe Syria did it, but one has to wonder what they hoped to benefit from it?

    But at least you concede that for you no other state matches the evil that you see in Israel.

    I never said that Ros. What I did say was that Israel’s conduct was pretty shameful, and that it continues to insist, along with it’s supporters that it is morally infalible becasue of the Holocaust. One thing is for sure, with all the fear mongering about nuclear weapons and extremist leaders out there, the only countries that are attacking other countries (and openly contemplating nuclear attacks) are the US and Israel.

    But not because the majority of the citizens of Israel are Jewish of course. A bold call. But if Israel was not a majority Jewish state, you would still loathe the place as much?

    I do not loathe Israel at all. As a matter of fact, I would love to visit the place some day. I think Israel has a lot to offer the world and I fully support Israel’s legitimacy.

    It would be wonderful to see peace in the region. Imagine how much prosperity that could bring? Just contemplate how different things could have been with Lebanon, the Riviera of the region and Israel the business centre? Enough oil to swim in with open trade with it’s neighbours? Anyway….

    And while I avoid generalization’s I also think that Jewish people are also a gift to the world.

    I happen to love Australia, but there are parts about Australia that I am ashamed of too.

    You never bought the argument that Israel faces real dangers. As to the rest of the world, if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

    Yes it does face dangers, but I happen to believe that most of those dangers are of it’s own making. Hamas were making strong overtures for a resolution of sorts, but as soon as the Palestinians exercised the democratic right, they were immediately punished for it. Israel seem to think that their withholding essential revenues to run Gaza is disconnect from subsequent events. That the shelling of the Gaza beach should be forgotten. That the 9000 prisoners should be left to rot.

  • Aaron Lane

    It is non sequitur, addamo. Maybe you can refrain from questioning other people's learning until you have a basic grasp of simple Latin.

    On the question of the interview, I thought both Lapkin and Antony were pretty uninspiring in their arguments.

  • Comical_Ali

    careful or he might runaway or better still change the subject

  • johnfaber


    I saw the interview belatedly as a friend had recorded it. I'd just like to thank you for standing up for what you believe in, particularly against an established and fiery body of opposition.

    Your opponent had little to offer particularly when it came to the concept of not using force to resolve the conflict, but petty arguments about inaccurate facts of which he was guilty himself.

    Judaism has always been strongly focused on scholarship, and any jew who cannot accept another's opinion with grace and humility when making his argument, is a poor representative indeed.



  • Ros

    Timesonline 2005 October

    “THE United Nations withheld some of the most damaging allegations against Syria in its report on the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese Prime Minister, it emerged yesterday.

    The names of the brother of Bashar al-Assad, President of Syria, and other members of his inner circle, were dropped from the report that was sent to the Security Council.

    The confidential changes were revealed by an extraordinary computer gaffe because an electronic version distributed by UN officials on Thursday night allowed recipients to track editing changes.

    The mistaken release of the unedited report added further support to the published conclusion that Syria was behind Mr Hariri’s assassination in a bomb blast on Valentine’s Day in Beirut……

    The final, edited version quoted a witness as saying that the plot to kill Mr Hariri was hatched by unnamed “senior Lebanese and Syrian officials”. But the undoctored version named those officials as “Maher al-Assad, Assef Shawkat, Hassan Khalil, Bahjat Suleyman and Jamal al-Sayyed”.

    Friends and relatives of Assad.

    While I don’t think that Syrian, crooks really, should have murdered Hariri, I don’t see him as the saviour of Lebanon either. After all the argument between Hariri and the Syrian power bloc wasn’t purely political, it was also about the considerable moula that power in Lebanon provides. But his death has most certainly been useful to many of the players, maybe Israel as well. That doesn’t make Israel the perps.

    We can agree that both sides to this party have rights and that both make mistakes I guess. But nothing is simple, which I guess we could agree on. For example, part of the revenue holding was predicated on the vast amounts that Palestine owed for electricity. They were refusing to pay.

    While the best outcome would I believe be for a real UN force to go into the border area and prevent both sides from having a go, (until Lebanon is able to become the government of South Lebanon as well) the behaviour of the UN described above simply adds to the distrust of the UN that Israelis have, and can hardly fill the Lebanese with confidence.

    And yes I think that many of the prisoners do not deserve to be in goal for ever. Other than that Lebanese psycho who should not be let free on the streets of Lebanon either. That minors, including older teenagers should be held for major crimes only, and then in youth centres where they access education and be allowed to maintain close relationships with their families. I do not approve of youths in gaol for stone throwing. And some of those settlers are just ghastly, Israel had a hell of a job getting them out of Gaza, how they get them out of some of the West Bank I don't know. Particularly after the Palestinian response to the withdrawal from Gaza. Martin van Creveld, Israeli, but internationally recognised military academic, said a few years back that Israel should build a wall and leave the bulk of those settlers on the Palestinian side. He thought that would most definitely clear out the fanaticism from their minds, home they would come post haste. And the fundamentalist Jews who fight so hard politically (when not attacking Arabs) are having more children than the Palestinians, live on social security and are exempt from military service! But Israel too needs a breather so that Israelis can feel safe and hence rethink their position.

  • Grizzly


    Saw you on Lateline and thought you were brilliant. Not only was it interesting and informative to hear your views and arguments, it was most hilarious to see Lapkin struggle to try defend his viewpoint. I loved it when the only point he could try pick you up on was his statement about the israeli-only (jewish or arab) roads versus jewish-only road.. when he thought he'd gotten one point against you, he just sat there continuously repeating it…. and it was one of the smallest points of the whole debate!

    Also I think Mr Lapkin needs to look the word "debate" up in the dictionary… he used the word a number of times but yet he doesn't seem to actually want to allow debate.

    Anyway I could sit here bagging out Lapkin's dodgy performance… but really just wanted to say thanks for getting an alternative view some decent airtime!

  • Rafidah

    Under John Howard, it seems people like Ros and Captain are having their day in the sun (is that the correct usage?). Sometimes I despair for Australia. Even though their arguments are totally wrong, they are given succour by a silent right-wing government that secretly hopes Israel can wipe out the "Arab Problem". Fortunately we now have Antony to stand up and tell the truth. Up to now, it's seemed to many of us in Southeast Asia that Israel would keep on getting away with murder. Like many other moderate Muslims, I have kept quiet, but now we have a new hero; and a Jew nonetheless.

    I think this book should be required reading in Malaysia and Indonesia. Ditto for Australia. Israel's powerful lobby group will make sure it never sees the light of day in lots of places. Of course, with blogging and the Internet, they can't act like they always have. Today we can communicate by blogs and ideas swirl around the world in a day; they'll never silence you now, Antony!

  • Ros

    I am about to rain on your parade Rafidah

    LABOR’S Foreign Affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd has defended Israel’s right to self-defence, accusing Hamas and Hezbollah of “violating” Israeli territory, and Lebanon of “violating” United Nations Security Council resolutions to disarm Hezbollah.

    In an interview with Sky News, Rudd said: “When it came to the beginning of this conflict Hamas and Hezbollah, the two terrorist organisations, launched rocket attacks on Israeli territory.

    “Furthermore, Hamas and Hezbollah engaged in violations of Israeli territory, capturing and killing Israeli armed force members.

    “And all of this was done in violation of Security Council resolutions adopted over the last two years which have required the government of Lebanon to disarm the Hezbollah militia in the southern part of that country.”

    Rudd also accused Syria and Iran of fuelling the crisis.

    And Leader of the Opposition

    Beazley said: “The outcome of this conflict, whenever there’s a cease-fire – and there will be a cease-fire – must be the disarming of Hezbollah.” Beazley added that Syria should be held accountable for its support of Hezbollah, whose missile capability “has clearly been built up to be used at Syria’s disposal. This is a serious threat to Israel,” he said.

    Beazley, who last visited Israel in 2003 during the Iraq war, also suggested Hamas bears significant responsibility for Israel’s re-invasion of Gaza because of its refusal to rein in terrorist attacks.

  • orang

    Beazley & the boys, like the stinking cowardly Democrats believe they have to suck zionist lobby dick to get elected – that's why they never will. Gutless.

  • Addamo_01


    I think it's unfair to Ros to lump her in with Captain. Ros has made a strong effor tot keep the discussion on a polite and constructive level. Like the rest of us, Ros is entitled to her position and we should respect that.

    My work leads me to travel frequently, so I get a pretty good perspective on the publics awareness of the reality on the ground and I must say, that the younger generation are much more resourceful than you realise. The great thing Bush, Blair and Howard have done is get young people interestes in politics, and motivate them to look bellow the surface.


    You're quoting of Rudd and Beazely does littlte more than prove a point that politicians who are interested in maintaining a career in politics, know that staying on mesage regarding Israel is par for the course. I'm sure Syria and Iran are involved in this conflict to some extent, just as Israel are currently involved in Iraq at the moment. If a conflict were breaking out in Latin America, you can bet your bottom dollar the US would have their hands all over it, which we have come to accept because it is in the US region of influence.

    But to blame Iran and Israel is just poathetic really. Like it or not, this did start as early as January, when Israel tried to force the Paelstinians to change goverment by illegally witholding operating tax revenue from them, which was causing a humanitarian disaster.

    The shelling of the Gaza beach did nothgin to help, nor did the raid on Gaza.

  • Good to see the Alternative Liberal Party (ALP) being quoted. Everything the Howard government has done, the ALP has supported. Remember David Hicks? Remember children overboard? Remember gay marriage? Remember Michael Danby Federal ALP member for Melbourne Ports/Israel? What more can one say?

  • JohD

    Just for the record, and because nobody can be bothered refuted the nonsense put forth by the fringe zionist element, there are several UNSC resolutions that Israel is in violation of, but in the lunatic discourse of Zionism, Israel is forever right, and everubody else is wrong, and Israel has complied with all these resolution, everybody else simply misunderstands the intent and purpose of these resolutions.

    UNSC 242 – the most well known resoluton that calls for Israel to withdraw from all territories it occupied during the 1967 conflict. Israel claims that the French version of the resolution simply implies that Israel may retain 'some' of the territories. Needless to say, Israel actions to date implies that it will retain 'all' the territories it wants to.… called for a ceasefire to the 1973 Yom Kippur War, a call that was not heeded. Significantly, it also called for UNSC 242 to be 'implemented in full', also never heeded.… the resolution that finally led to a ceasefire after Israel took advantage of Egyptian violations of the terms of the ceasefire as a result of UNSC 338. This resolution also called for the implementation of UNSC res 242, a resolution Israel remains in violation of and a resolution that has caused Israel to be the subject of an annual UNGA resolution calling for Israel to abide by its terms, and which Israel has stubbornly refused to do.

  • Captain

    242 calls for land for peace. So far every offer of land has been rejected by the pals. The resolution does not say which land or which border. Israel has ceded land to Egypt, withdrawn from Gaza and Lebanon after it was attacked by all of its neighbours.

    Only lunatic left whingers would claim that there is no ceasefire between Egypt and Israel.

    So Israel is not in violation.

  • Ros

    To play the resolutions against Israel is to hold a two edged sword. While for the Israeli haters it demonstrates the perfidy of Isreal, the fact that more than half of the 700 plus resolutions passed by the general assembly condemning actions of nations are condemnations of Israel says that it is a dysfunctional biased body.

    Who else could the UN have been bothered by over the years it has targetted Isreal. What are the major crimes of which Israel is accused. Well there is depriving Palestinians of the ownership of their lands, and genocide.

    Lets consider Sudan. In 1948 when Israel was fighting for its life Sudan still had slaves. That is Arab Sudanese still had African slaves. Not indentured workers, slaves. In theory slavery was ended in Sudan and other nations in 1960.

    The reality the Africans of Sudan are still being slaughtered, well the men, the women and children are hauled off to chattel slavery, as the UN Special rapporteur for Sudan reported. Slavery is alive and well in Sudan.

    So genocide and the theft of peoples personhood, a greater crime I would say than stealing their land. And the UN resolutions. Remember this has been going on for as long as the Israeli/Palestine struggle, far longer in fact, Arabs killing and enslaving Africans. But Sudan is a member of the Arab league. So the same numbers that allow them to organise resolution after resolution against Israel, allows them to prevent resolutions against their monstrous Arab brother. It does not embarrass Arabia, apparently the term “abid” (slave in Arabic) is commonly used to describe Africans. In fact a Saudi blogger recently reported the Saudi Prince who described Condi Rice as an abid. In case you can’t get it, she is black.

    But trot out the resolutions again, for only the blind does it prove that Israel is the world’s nasty guy.

    “One African, Muslim intellectual, who lived in Arabia for many years, recently opined that the tacit, but practised, racial hierarchy in Arabia was more layered and variegated than the apartheid system of South Africa.”

    Maybe the Israelis should be grateful as it would seem that they at least sit above Africans in the Araby racial hierarchy.

  • Addamo_01


    Why are you so adament that those critical of Israel must be Israeli haters? Is that somethign you feel more comfotable with, becuase in your mind, there cannot be any rational reason to criticise Israel otherwise?

    the fact that more than half of the 700 plus resolutions passed by the general assembly condemning actions of nations are condemnations of Israel says that it is a dysfunctional biased body.

    So in other words, a fellon who repeatedly breaks the law and faces repeated charges for his crimes coudl argue that this was evidence that the law was unjust or that the law enforcement agencies were a dysfunctional biased body?

    Sudan is an interesting example but what is your point Ros? That there are examples of worse criems against humanity than those in the occupied territories, which means what? That Israel is off the hook?

    Yes, resolutinos wil be submitted based on the interests of the members, but what's to stop the US, the champion for freedom and huimanity, or the Uk from submitting thsoe resolutions to the UN?

    Let's again be reminded that Israel hodes behind a cloack of loral infalibility. Supporters fo th country have cliamed that Israel is the epitome of morality and that to even criticise Israel, makes one an anti-Semite, or in your case, an Israeli hater.

    Spin it any way you like it Ros, you cannot make this situation just go away. The measure of the decency of a society is it's readiness to admit it's flaws.

    But let's loko further shall we? Israel has maintained that it wants peace and a settlement with the Palesitinians.

    In 1982 Yasir Arafat, headquartered in Beirut, was making ready to announce that the PLO was prepared to sit down with Israel and embark on peaceful, good faith negotiations towards a two-state solution.

    Israel didn’t want a two-state solution, which meant — if UN resolutions were to be taken seriously — a Palestinian state right next door, with water, and contiguous territory. What did Israel do? It chased the PLO right out of Lebanon. It announced that the Palestinian fighters had broken the year-long cease-fire by lobbing some shells into northern Israel.

    Of course, Palestinians had done nothing of the sort. Israel was lying.

    With or without a pretext Israel wanted to invade Lebanon. So it did, and rolled up to Beirut. It shelled Lebanese towns and villages and bombed them from the air. Sharon’s forces killed maybe 20,000 people, and let Lebanese Christians slaughter hundreds of Palestinian refugees in the camps of Sabra and Chatilla.

    And what are we seeing today? Following th epullout from Gaza, the prospects of an Palesitina state looked closer than ever. Israel have been under pressure to oficially demarkate it's borders, but it's leaders do not want to do that because that would prevent Israel from expanding them further.

    What other countr in the world has been so disingenous?

  • Comical_Ali

    So which UNSC resolutions is Israel in voilation of? Can anyone name just one?

    Remember David Hicks?

    Whose he? A gay rights activist for the Taliban?

  • M.Mayes

    So genocide and the theft of peoples personhood, a greater crime I would say than stealing their land.

    hmm well Ros, i'll start by commending you because you provided a large degree of information there to back what you are saying.

    however lets not go on a tangent here, remembering you are not talking to Pro-arab people here but rather people who simply arent pro-israel.

    yes the arab people have their problems (like every race) but that has absolutely nothing to do with israel-arab politics, they are seperate problems that dont tie in at all so next time you go on a rant perhaps something more on-topic

  • Ros

    Just a thought Mayes, yes, much of the commentary here is limited to the historical as well as the current failings of the Israeli character and actions. But Arab character has nothing to do with Israel/Arab politics! Why not? The problem is Israeli/Arab but only the Israeli's failings matter. Separate? Doesn't strike you as, well, just anti-Israeli. But then you said that, simply aren't pro-Israel.

    My "rant" was of course about the United Nations and its appalling record, both in the Israeli/Arab matters and Arab/other matters, but it could have been another example. Its just that Sudan is a genocide happening now.

    The resolutions were listed and referred to by a number. Just seemed worthwhile to consider how relevant the actions or considerations of the UN are as a measure of the morality of a nation.

  • M.Mayes

    as a matter of fact i dont think that jewsish history prior to israel's creation (and the immediate events leading up to) are particularly relavent either, i dont judge israel in this conflict based on anything other than their relations, treatment and policies on the arab world and likewise dont judge the arabs on anything to do with arab-israeli relations that isnt related to israel. quite simply because none of it is relavent nor does it matter in terms of what we are talking about.

    Although i will agree with you that the UN doesnt do enough/have enough power to do enough. because people all tend to think differently but also largely because the US feels it can defy the UN if it see's fit (and everyone is powerless to stop it).

  • M.Mayes

    The UN, the worldwide "Democracy" that the US is Dictator of.

  • "Remember David Hicks?

    Whose he? A gay rights activist for the Taliban?"

    Are you attacking people because they are gay activists? So, homophobia, racism, sexism, and anti-semitic joooos! to mention but a few of your phobias, and as you well know, Islamic extremists put homosexuals to death by ghastly means, so you comment is just ridiculous!

    David Hicks is a human being and he is being treated like an animal by his government and that of our imperial master, the USA. If Hicks is guilty of anything, how come it has taken 4 1/2 years for him NOT to have been charged with anything?

    Or were you just being "comical" ali?

    Maybe you are just distracted, because you are NOT on your way to support your homeland with "Captain", Keith and a few others of your political ilk, who have the savvy to remain in safe havens while your mates are battling the enemies over there!

  • M.Mayes

    “Remember David Hicks?

    Whose he? A gay rights activist for the Taliban?”

    Are you attacking people because they are gay activists?

    Indeed for a race that has been troden on at every corner since their existance you'd think the pro-israeli jews here you be slightly more accepting and understanding of discrimination…. but then i remember they are pro-israeli jews and everything bad is fine until its happening to them, got a real victims complex happenin there dont ya