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		<title>By: Morpheus</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/04/ballad-of-the-shj/comment-page-1/#comment-10370</link>
		<dc:creator>Morpheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 02:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what thought processes you would need to use to understand that &quot;The Ballad ...&quot; is anything other than Guy Rundle poetically taking the piss out of the by now raging and ferociously belligerent Israeli propagandists and apologists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what thought processes you would need to use to understand that &#8220;The Ballad &#8230;&#8221; is anything other than Guy Rundle poetically taking the piss out of the by now raging and ferociously belligerent Israeli propagandists and apologists.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/04/ballad-of-the-shj/comment-page-1/#comment-10278</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viva,

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You are clearly a very clever chappie to be able to track down quotes from four, five, and six decades, hell even one century ago!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah right Viva, Sharon&#039;s quotes were from 1998.  You call that past generations?  Nice try though.  

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We wonder if your forensic skills extend to tracking down an equally representative selection of Islamist quotes? ;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No doutb they exist.  The point is that Captain abnd others do list these statememts to paint Islamic leaders are being dangeorus to Israel and the West in general.  That statements liek these are as proof of intent to kill.  

Captain insists that Irsrael onyl wants peace, when their actions speak entirely the opposite.  I have always maitained that actions speak louder than words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viva,</p>
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You are clearly a very clever chappie to be able to track down quotes from four, five, and six decades, hell even one century ago!!</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah right Viva, Sharon&#8217;s quotes were from 1998.  You call that past generations?  Nice try though.  </p>
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We wonder if your forensic skills extend to tracking down an equally representative selection of Islamist quotes? <img src='http://antonyloewenstein.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>No doutb they exist.  The point is that Captain abnd others do list these statememts to paint Islamic leaders are being dangeorus to Israel and the West in general.  That statements liek these are as proof of intent to kill.  </p>
<p>Captain insists that Irsrael onyl wants peace, when their actions speak entirely the opposite.  I have always maitained that actions speak louder than words.</p>
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		<title>By: viva peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>viva peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addamo

You are clearly a very clever chappie to be able to track down quotes from four, five, and six decades, hell even one century ago!! But why don&#039;t you live in the NOW!? Or at least in the past generation.

We wonder if your forensic skills extend to tracking down an equally representative selection of Islamist quotes? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addamo</p>
<p>You are clearly a very clever chappie to be able to track down quotes from four, five, and six decades, hell even one century ago!! But why don&#8217;t you live in the NOW!? Or at least in the past generation.</p>
<p>We wonder if your forensic skills extend to tracking down an equally representative selection of Islamist quotes? <img src='http://antonyloewenstein.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: M.Mayes</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/04/ballad-of-the-shj/comment-page-1/#comment-10240</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Mayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addamo I applaud you for your patience, its people like captain who create serial killers.

The incompetence, baseless accusations and western dogma spewing from captains mouth is deplorable.

Captain your black and white view of the world is a childish fantasy that you amongst many others indulge in(&quot;They say they want to secure their Oh, and Blair was in on it so London deserves to be bombed.&quot;)...  

I think you will find that on here you are arguing with moderates. You talk about support for Islamofacism but on numerous occasions we have condemned islamofacism... You are the only extremist here, either that or you are just a child blinded by his leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addamo I applaud you for your patience, its people like captain who create serial killers.</p>
<p>The incompetence, baseless accusations and western dogma spewing from captains mouth is deplorable.</p>
<p>Captain your black and white view of the world is a childish fantasy that you amongst many others indulge in(&#8220;They say they want to secure their Oh, and Blair was in on it so London deserves to be bombed.&#8221;)&#8230;  </p>
<p>I think you will find that on here you are arguing with moderates. You talk about support for Islamofacism but on numerous occasions we have condemned islamofacism&#8230; You are the only extremist here, either that or you are just a child blinded by his leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 05:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the midst of wanton aggression, we still call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions - provisional or permanent.

We offer peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Hebrew nation for the common good of all.&quot; Israeli Declaration of Independence, May 14, 1948</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the midst of wanton aggression, we still call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions &#8211; provisional or permanent.</p>
<p>We offer peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Hebrew nation for the common good of all.&#8221; Israeli Declaration of Independence, May 14, 1948</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 05:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They [our Arab Neighbors]  in turn have much to give us, they are blessed with what we lack. Great territories, ample for themselves and their children&#039;s children, even if they are far more prolific than they are today. We do not covet their expanses nor will we penetrate them - for we shall fight to end Diaspora in Arab lands as fiercely as we fought to end it in Europe, we want to be assembled wholly in our own Land. But if this region is to expand to the full, there must be reciprocity, there can be mutual aid - economic, political and cultural - between Jew and Arab. That is the necessity which will prevail, and the daily fulminations of their leaders should not alarm us unduly - they do not echo the real interests of the Arab peoples. David Ben Gurion, Speech to the elected assembly of Palestinian Jews, October 2, 1947</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They [our Arab Neighbors]  in turn have much to give us, they are blessed with what we lack. Great territories, ample for themselves and their children&#8217;s children, even if they are far more prolific than they are today. We do not covet their expanses nor will we penetrate them &#8211; for we shall fight to end Diaspora in Arab lands as fiercely as we fought to end it in Europe, we want to be assembled wholly in our own Land. But if this region is to expand to the full, there must be reciprocity, there can be mutual aid &#8211; economic, political and cultural &#8211; between Jew and Arab. That is the necessity which will prevail, and the daily fulminations of their leaders should not alarm us unduly &#8211; they do not echo the real interests of the Arab peoples. David Ben Gurion, Speech to the elected assembly of Palestinian Jews, October 2, 1947</p>
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		<title>By: leftvegdrunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftvegdrunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addamo, that&#039;s an valuable selection of quotations. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addamo, that&#8217;s an valuable selection of quotations. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/04/ballad-of-the-shj/comment-page-1/#comment-10208</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to prove that Israel was founded on terrorism.  Who needs a charter to eradicate Arabs when you have ertremists liek this representing the majority?  islamofascism has nothign on Judeofascim.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.   From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky&#039;s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan&#039;s &quot;Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

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There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?&#039; Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said &#039;Drive them out!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

&lt;blockquote&gt;(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would have joined a terrorist organization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Ehud Barak&#039;s response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha&#039;aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
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Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don&#039;t grab will go to them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to prove that Israel was founded on terrorism.  Who needs a charter to eradicate Arabs when you have ertremists liek this representing the majority?  islamofascism has nothign on Judeofascim.</p>
<blockquote><p>We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.   From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.</p>
<blockquote><p>Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves &#8230; politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves&#8230; The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky&#8217;s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan&#8217;s &#8220;Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.</p>
<blockquote><p>
There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.</p>
<blockquote><p>We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?&#8217; Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said &#8216;Drive them out!</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.</p>
<blockquote><p>(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers &#8230; heads smashed against the boulders and walls.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 </p>
<blockquote><p>Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.</p>
<blockquote><p>I would have joined a terrorist organization.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Ehud Barak&#8217;s response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha&#8217;aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours&#8230;Everything we don&#8217;t grab will go to them.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.</p>
<blockquote><p>Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how any quotes you don&#039;t seem to like you deem to be fake.  No the are factual quotes.

Ben Guiron wanted to make peace with the  the Arabs the same way Hitleer wanted to make peace with Jews.

What makes you such a source of ridicule Captain is that you cannot for one second aknowledge the shortcomming of Israel and it&#039;s extremist leaders.  Everythng that happens some else&#039;s fault.  Just like a child who refuses to grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how any quotes you don&#8217;t seem to like you deem to be fake.  No the are factual quotes.</p>
<p>Ben Guiron wanted to make peace with the  the Arabs the same way Hitleer wanted to make peace with Jews.</p>
<p>What makes you such a source of ridicule Captain is that you cannot for one second aknowledge the shortcomming of Israel and it&#8217;s extremist leaders.  Everythng that happens some else&#8217;s fault.  Just like a child who refuses to grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, fake quotes.

Ben Gurion wanted to live in peace with arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, fake quotes.</p>
<p>Ben Gurion wanted to live in peace with arabs.</p>
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