Robert Fisk, The Independent, August 5:
In fact, one of the most profound changes in the region these past three decades has been the growing unwillingness of Arabs to be afraid. Their leaders – our “moderate” pro-Western Arab leaders such as King Abdullah of Jordan and President Mubarak of Egypt – may be afraid. But their peoples are not. And once a people have lost their terror, they cannot be re-injected with fear. Thus Israel’s consistent policy of smashing Arabs into submission no longer works. It is a policy whose bankruptcy the Americans are now discovering in Iraq.
And all across the Muslim world, “we” – the West, America, Israel – are fighting not nationalists but Islamists. And watching the martyrdom of Lebanon this week – its slaughtered children in Qana packed into plastic bags until the bags ran out and their corpses had to be wrapped in carpets – a terrible and daunting thought occurs to me, day by day. That there will be another 9/11.
Well when you don’t even get an “oops sorry” anymore when they blast another family to oblivion, and then the fucking Piano Player says “Let the games continue, kill some more” then there’s only one thing left. Revenge.
It’s almost amusing to watch Abdullah, the Saudis and Mubarak haveing some sleepless nights. Looks like their time is up, it will be shortly.
Perhasp there will be a democracy domino effect in the Middle East after all.
Speaking of democracy, I see the speaker of the Palestinian Parliament was arrested yesterday. What will Captain make of that?
Israel often boasts of being the only democracy in the ME. I guess they intend to keep it that way.
He is a terrorist leader. He belongs in jail. When he renounces terrorism, if he does not have blood on his hands, he can be released.
I just wonder how fiskie has polled all of the local arabs given the fact that there is no free media, freedom of expression or freedom of movement in the coutries he names.
Yes of course there will be another 9/11, OBL promised that before during and after the first 9/11. That was of course before the iraq war and before the Lebanese war. Iran had been arming Hezbollah to the teeth with weapons for ages.
When people elect terrorists to represent them, they can hardly then cry when their infrastructure suddenly gets bombed. Everyone, including the Israelis, most especially the Israelis mourn the loss of innocent life, but it will not deter them from pretecting their territory.
Typically orang gets confused about cause and effect. Arabs have been preoccupied with revenge for decades. And it is not because of land, it is because they keep their own peoples impoverished, uneducated and dispirited, whilst Israel, despite the adversity has a progressive and modern economy. It has been inculcated into the minds of the vulnerable that Israel is the cause of their suffering yet places as far away as Pakistan have abolutely nothing to do with the conflict. It is called scapegoating.
Beacause Jews dont denegrate their dead like the lebs seem to do, you don’t have the reciprocal gruesome images as fodder for the despicable likes of Fisk.
Hello Captain, still using your racist language I see. These people are Lebanese not Lebs.
So skipper, they can make a big step towards placating you by dying quietly – is that correct? Sorry for you and your masters but they do make trouble. When their backs are up against the wall they won’t die with a whimper.
Olmert is commiting acts of state sponsored terrorism and accordint to Human Rights Watch, war crimes, so we can trust you will be in full agreement when he and his minions aqre charged with such crimes – as were his predecessors.
OBL probabyl died a long time ago, but you will no doutb insist that the Arabs in Lebanon and elsewhere are just a bunhc of cry babies for not accepting massacres and murder of their people on the chin. Any terrorist act against the US will not be driven by venegance, but ideology right you maggot?
And the US has been arming Israel far more for much longer. So what?
Fair enough. So when Tel Aviv get’s hit, Israel wil just take it on the chin right?
Therefore, using Capatin’s logic, it is the Jewish leaders and the Jews in German occupied territory who are to blame for any Jewish deaths in WWII. They were warned. Inexplicably they failed to heed the warning, probably because they were all fifth columnists/spies.
but Israel has been driven mad by its own logic. They have built a formidable military force, in order to defend themselves against the conventional armies of the region, which they have whipped badly every time they have met. They decided long ago on a preemptive war strategy, which was needed in ‘67, and they decided on disproportionate reaction. Capture a soldier, and we don’t attack the kidnappers, we smash the infrastructure of a modern city.
When it comes to Israel and “terrorism” (a subjective term at best, usually “defined” by the most powerful), Capatain maggot must simply be identified as what he is: a fascist. To him, Arabs are not human and their lives have no reality, so it really doesn’t matter what happens to them.
Hezbollah is a group whose raisen detre is the destruction of a sovereign state. Israel is armed to defend herself. I know nuance is not your strong suit. So let me say this in words even a filthy maggot like you will understand: you have to be armed to defend yourself against terrorists.
Its funny how OBL is able to make contemporary recordings whilst being dead. Oh, it must be those same american guys who faked the lunar landing.
And if “Leb” is racist, perhaps you should correct Lebanese who use this term:Leb
Calling someone Jew when they are Jewish is not racist. So get over it.
Your ignorance is beyond description Captain
You still haven’t figure out how to spell raison d’etre.
Hezbollah was founded after the invasion of Lebanon by Israel. You’re poor brain wants to believe they share the Hamas charter, but they do not. It’s sole aim was resistance to occupation. I know intelligence is not your forte, but just thought you might want to know.
As you do to defend yourself against invasion. I know Israel doesn’t like to play by those rules, but resistance to occupation is allowed under the Geneva conventions, whereas invasion is not.
It’s funny that it never occurred to you that this can easily be achieved with generic messages that are non specific. He might well be alive, but then again, why is it that OBL is getting Zawahiri do all the appearance for him?
Jew is not a slang term or a derogatory one. Nuance Captain. Look it up.
I have an interesting question for you Captain,
Given that sovereign states have the right to self defense and that Israel is currently doing so against Hebollah and yet Lebanon is the real sufferer here… could that same self-defense logic be used the other way around, what would you think Captain if the Lebanese Army invaded Israel now, invoking its right to self defense?
And for those who are reliving the glory of Entebbe with the news that the Noble IDF who “Captured 5 Hezbollah deep in Lebanon”
Here’s…Nobility!!!!
“About the Israeli commando operation on Baalbeck where 5 members of the Hezbollah were captured:
1. The parachutists landed on a hospital: Dar el Hekmat.
2. The glorious battle of the elite soldiers provoked 17 dead among which eight children.
3. The five people who were captured are ordinary civilians living in a house near by. Two of them, a father and his son, are called Nasrallah and have no relation whatsoever with the Hezbollah leader. Nasrallah is a common name not only in Lebanon, but in the Middle East. Such as Youssri Nasrallah, famous Egyptian filmmaker and Christian (please forgive this distinction, Youssri my friend, it’s for the good cause) well known in the French film world). It’s very possible that they would have been Hezbollah sympathizers, as are more than one million people in Lebanon, but they are not on the staff of Hezbollah.
4. Inside the car that rushed out of the hospital area and that was chased and filmed by the Israelis were a man and his wife, eight-months pregnant. The first rocket hit the back of the car. The two passengers leave the car screaming for help. The helicopter makes a U-turn and shoots again. The man manages to escape, the woman doesn’t. A little bit later, the neighbors rush to the car and find her dead, with an exploded belly and the fetus projected outside.”
Also Lebanese calling themselves lebs is the same as Negroids calling themselves Niggers… by your logic captain if a white person calls a black one a nigger is that therefore not racist? Addamo had it right, the word derogatory sums it up pretty well.
Dont even think about using this post as a scapegoat to ignore the last one either! that question still stands.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=746312
Also:
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
The recent attack on Qaa, in the far north of Lebanon, may signal Israel’s attempted provocation of Syria. Qaa is on the Syrian border, and most of those killed in the attack were Syrian.
In other news…
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Nigger is definitely derogatory. Lebs and Pals is not. If you find yourself agreeing with addamo about anything, you should increase your medication.
I agree that Lebanon has a casus belli. But they have been invaded by Hezbollah and they should turn their attention to destroying a non state sanctioned armed militia that is against international law. Given their propensity to passivity in the face of the PLO destroying their country and then Hezbollah doing the same, there seems to be little chance of them attacking Israel. So your question is about as relevant as asking whether a man can get pregnant from sex.
When Syria does finally leave Lebanon and Iran stops meddling, there are great prospects for harmony on the northern border.
..”A little bit later, the neighbors rush to the car and find her dead, with an exploded belly and the fetus projected outside.”
“When Syria does finally leave Lebanon and Iran stops meddling, there are great prospects for harmony on the northern border. ”
Harmony? .Border? There will never be harmony until all Arabs have been killed – you know that, and the Issies are just the boys to do it, they find it really quite easy.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=746312
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
(July 30, 2006)
The recent attack on Qaa in far north Lebanon is the most recent attempt at provocation of Syria. Qaa is on the Syrian border, and all those killed were Syrian workers.
In other news:
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
(Aug. 3, 2006)
its not a matter of likelyhood, i know that lebanon will not invade israel. this is a matter of what you would think if lebanon DID invade israel under the pretence of selfdefense and killed hundreds of israeli civilians in the process… so the question remains.
How the hell can anyone insist that Lebanon has been invaded by Hezbollah, when Hezbollah is a Lebanese organisation? That makes as much sense as Israel being invaded by the IDF.
So if they are state sanctioned, they get to stay right? The way Hezbollah’s popularity is headed, they may soon be in charge.
Oops, you left out Israel, and no, Hezbollah has not destroyed Lebanon.
Syria has left Lebanon. It may have intelligence oepratives there, but then, we know Missad has been there too because they were receintly caught by Lebanese authorities.
“Progressive Atheist
Aug 6th, 2006 at 10:33 pm
The U.S. press and blogosphere is awash with neocon-inspired calls for indefinite shooting, no talking and extension of hostilities to Syria and Iran, with Gingrich calling this a third world war to “defend civilization.”
Hey, this is like being a teenager asking the old man for 20 bucks for a movie (yeah right) he gives you 200, a wink and a nod, “Have a good time son, get yourself a little pussy, don’t worry about what time to get home, if the cops give you any trouble I’ll deal with it- enjoy yourself!”
Well in addition to the obvious case of Israeli’s, that also makes the populations of the USA, Britain and Australia completely fair game one’s to assume?
I gather I won’t have to endure any more unjustified bleating about 9/11, the London bombings or the Bali bombings, nor any future acts if this ilk in that case…they simply had it coming.
Oh, hang on…what if I didn’t vote for Howard?
If you didn’t vote for Howard you deserve everything you get because you are un-Australian.
Is this just a confirmation that the Muslims (or Arabs) were subjected to terrorism (much like the west who insist they have been subjected to terrorism), and if they were by whom, the west?
..And why would someone (or some nation) would want the whole Arab states (and its nations) to have fear of the west? Is this statement just a confirmation of western sponsored terrorism in the Middle East via Israel on the Muslims and Christians living there?
So really 9/11 was a reaction from the western action, which would mean the reaction was fair (much like how the west see Israel war crimes in Lebanon as fair, since this too is a reaction?).
This is sad.
“Yid”, “Kike”, “Nigger”, Kaffir”, “Coon”, “Boong”, “Abo”,
just a few words to add to the vocabulary of some of the posts on Antony’s blog – thought the others used were not offensive enough!
Oh, just for the benefit of our racist, sexist, homophobic Jew-hating Jews posting here, maybe “poofter”, “lezzo” need to be included.
Amazing how offensive some people can be without even trying!
Keep up the good work!
But don’t forget to tell us when you are leaving to join the IDF – they are losing a few, and replacements are urgently needed from the diaspora! They need you, and they need you NOW! After all, there are still about 6 million left outside Israel (ah yes, just the number Hitler killed – but maybe many of this six million, mainly the zionists – don’t really like the idea of a slow boat to Israel!)