Line by line

The Australian poetry wars. And I thought writing about the Middle East was controversial.

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15 Responses to “Line by line”


  • Poets behaving badly.

    I’m sure I’ve heard the line “ambition outweighs talent” more than a few times before. Envy?- in the oz poetry scene- surely NOT??

  • I am sure you have heard that line more than a few times as well.

  • ?? that just sounds like sour grapes Captain- or is there a vital Zionist reading of Kinsella I am unaware of :)

  • Sour grapes? Not from me. I just was not surprised that you have heard that line.

    And thank you for showing your biases to us. Whilst you consider Islamofascist somehow racist, you are happy to suffuse that same alleged affect into ‘Zionist’ to make it so and happily label me ad infinitum into one dimensionality.

    For the record, Kinsella’s greatest failing is being derivative. How many times must heroin addiction be glamourised?

  • Captain,

    Do you consider yourself a Zionist? Again your simple minded logic let’s you down. Zionists are usualyl proud of being such. I have yet to hear an Islamofascist call himself one.

  • Actually, Captain, it was your references to “Lebs” and “Pals” that were racist.

  • But not racist when they use it, right?

    Don’t you realise that Palestinian is actually a derogatory Roman word? Webster’s does not cite either term as derogatory. I think you are just thin skinned and over-identify with Israel’s good friends.

  • Silly captain- you know it’s indefensible. Thin skinned- you, who call everone who agrees with AL antisemitic, are saying that I am thin skinned. That is projection.

    The sad thing is that your every statement about the palestinians reveals your distaste and dehumanization of them and this again, supports AL’s theses.

    Why is it so repugnant to you that we condemn the loss of innocent Palestinian lives as much as the loss of innocent Israeli ones?

  • Suze,

    You have to understand the Zionist mind. In that reality, empathy for Israel leaves no room for empathy for Palestinians.

    Furthermore, by excercising their democratic right and putting their interests before those of Israel, the Palestinians have dug their own grave. The same thing happens to countries to put their own interests before those of the US.

    That’s what hubris and belief in exceptionaism does to countries.

  • Suze,

    Time and time again I have stated that it is abhorent that innocent civilians are getting killed. But you choose not to read this because I attribute blame to those that you despise.

  • Who do I despise? Sorry- not understanding that. I don’t despise anyone.

    You have expressed sorrow while saying that its their own fault because they use “human shields”- a claim explicitly denied by Human Rights Watch, or in your own lovely words- they use their innocent as “cannon fodder”.

    So I can take it as read that you have been expressing, to your friend Jeremy Jones, in the strongest of terms, your opposition to the shelling of families on a beach in Gaza, the shooting of 13 year old schoolgirls, the collective punishment of an entire people by denying them water, electricity and freedom of movement, by imposing economic blockade- you have been protesting these things as strongly as you condemn those who launch terrorist attacks in Israel?

  • Human Rights Watch may have denied it, but the UN have exlicitly acknowledged it.

    I oppose Palestinian child abuse that has gunmen fire in close proximity to their own and then not surprisingly generates civilian casualties. Surely you are not denying this. Go to littlegreenfootballs.com and just look at the link in the left column called palestinian child abuse to see photos that prove this.

    I also agree that collective punishment is wrong, which is why I strongly protest Hamas’ intention to kill all Jews and Hezbollah’s stated objective to drive the Jews into the sea. Hamas represents the populace. They voted for Nazis, they exploit border crossings and then get bitter and twisted when there are consequences. They should think about what they do and discourage their own people from terrorism. That would be a good start.

    So Suze, its cause and effect. They want to anihilate Jews, they suffer. If they want good relations with Israel and a two state solution, they need to shift their agenda. But they hate Jews more than they love their own children.

  • I don’t believe you answered my question. Have you made active representations against the abuse of the Palestinians by members of the IDF and by settlers? Don’t keep spouting empty propaganda- it won’t wash. These abuses have been captured time and time again on film and witnessed by journalists from Israel and abroad. One of the things that disgusts me is this stuff about the IDF being “the most moral army in the world”and that “Israel is being held to a higher moral standard” when in fact totally the reverse is true. When you have members of the IDF captured on film shooting children andon radio saying “Any motion, anyone who moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, should be killed. Over.” where is the morality in that. This IDF soldier who emptied his M16 into a cowering schoolgirl has since been cleared of all charges and is now being given COMPENSATION.

    Compare this to the delayed but at least apparently impartial trial of the US soldier accused of raping a 14 year old and murdering her family. WHO is being held to a higher moral standard?

    If the US had followed Israel’s example the rescue of the hostages in Iran in the 70’s would have been followed by the utter destruction of Iran.

    Take your blinkers off Captain. It has been a long time since Israel has been able to claim “morality” without making the word a complete and utter travesty.

  • So Captain,

    You ingnoarus,

    You do frequent littlegreenfootballs.com? Why am I nto surprised. Your head has become so filled with shit you are starting to make David Horotowitz sound lucid.
    Why don’t you just stop by Stormfront.com along the way?

    Hezbollah’s stated objective to drive the Jews into the sea.

    That is a fucking lie Captain. When are you going to cut this bullshit assertion? Hams is NOT Hezbollah and Hezbollah is not Hams, or Syria or Iran. They

    Hezbollah has never threatened to drive Jews into the sea. They HAVE promised to drive Israel out fo Lebanon, but unlike Israel, recognize that there are borders surrounding Lebanon.

    You’re a fan of Scott Ritter tight? Well read what he says here:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14448.htm

    Hezbollah is decidedly anti-Israel, as only a group born from the oppression of Israeli occupation of their homeland could be. This has led to fiery rhetoric on the part of Hezbollah and its supporters, which has been exploited by Israel and the United States to paint Hezbollah as an organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hezbollah has stated that its goals are the removal of all Israeli forces from Lebanon, the Golan Heights and the return of Palestinian refugees to Palestine. Hezbollah also continues to demand the release of Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails, some of whom have been imprisoned for nearly 20 years.

    Pripor to Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, Hezbollah was not firing anything into Israel. In fact, Israel has fired over a thousand missiles into Lebanon and made countless incursions into Lebanon since 2000.

    They voted for Nazis, they exploit border crossings and then get bitter and twisted when there are consequences.

    Nazis? The tumor in your brain is putting waaayyy too much pressure on what little brain you have left. Hezbollah has NOTHING to with Nazism. Much less in fact that Israel does. And for the 100th time, it was Israel that crossed in Lebanon, which is why their guys were captured.

    Again, Ritter writes this:

    Israel claims the moral high ground in this current round of conflict, citing the July 12 attack by Hezbollah on an Israeli Army patrol that left eight IDF soldiers dead and two captured. The disproportionality of response aside (Hezbollah fires hundreds of rockets into Israel, and gets thousands of artillery shells and aerial bombs in return; Israel’s civilian casualties run in the scores, Lebanon’s in the hundreds), Israel’s claim as the aggrieved party simply does not withstand the test of history and fact.

    The only cause and effect here is that Israel planned this invasion over a year ago and Olmert discussed it with Bush when he visited the US. This is about Israel trying to start a war that they hope will escalate to involve Syria and Iran.

    It just goes to prove what a vile and extremist country Israel has become. It could well be starting WWIII right now, which could lead to the deaths of millions and Israel doesn’t give a shit. So long as their dominance in the region is not challenged.

  • Oh and by the way Captain- you might find this instructive

    Israel’s High court has ruled that the IDF’s use of Human Shields in Gaza is illegal and a violation of International law…. Thats right- ISRAEL’s use of human shields

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