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		<title>By: Leo Buddha</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11380</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Buddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moral Barbarity indeed it is Antony. 
 
1) Using civilians as shields is Moral Barbarity 
 
2) Directly targetting civilians &lt;strong&gt;ONLY&lt;/strong&gt; to make political points is Moral Barbarity. 
 
Consistently ignoring the above indeed is Moral Barbarity, Antony. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moral Barbarity indeed it is Antony.</p>
<p>1) Using civilians as shields is Moral Barbarity</p>
<p>2) Directly targetting civilians <strong>ONLY</strong> to make political points is Moral Barbarity.</p>
<p>Consistently ignoring the above indeed is Moral Barbarity, Antony.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11198</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captian, Comical and company have often asked for an example of University academics ebign censored with regards to Israel. Well, here is an extreme an example as you are ever liekly to come across: 
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    Douglas Giles is a recent casualty. He used to teach a class on world religions at Roosevelt University, Chicago, founded in memory of FDR and his liberal-inclined wife, Eleanor. Last year, Giles was ordered by his head of department, art historian Susan Weininger, not to allow students to ask questions about Palestine and Israel; in fact, nothing was to be mentioned in class, textbooks and examinations that could possibly open Judaism to criticism&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;    Leaving aside his boss&#8217;s doubtful qualifications to set limits on a class of comparative religion - her speciality is early 20th-century Midwestern artists such as Tunis Ponsen (nor have I) - the point to grasp is that Professor Giles did not make inflammatory statements himself: he merely refused to limit debate among the young minds in front of him.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1843543,00.html?gusrc=rss&amp;feed=12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captian, Comical and company have often asked for an example of University academics ebign censored with regards to Israel. Well, here is an extreme an example as you are ever liekly to come across: </p>
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    Douglas Giles is a recent casualty. He used to teach a class on world religions at Roosevelt University, Chicago, founded in memory of FDR and his liberal-inclined wife, Eleanor. Last year, Giles was ordered by his head of department, art historian Susan Weininger, not to allow students to ask questions about Palestine and Israel; in fact, nothing was to be mentioned in class, textbooks and examinations that could possibly open Judaism to criticism</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>    Leaving aside his boss&rsquo;s doubtful qualifications to set limits on a class of comparative religion &#8211; her speciality is early 20th-century Midwestern artists such as Tunis Ponsen (nor have I) &#8211; the point to grasp is that Professor Giles did not make inflammatory statements himself: he merely refused to limit debate among the young minds in front of him.</p></blockquote>
<p>  <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1843543,00.html?gusrc=rss&amp;feed=12" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0_1843543_00.html?gusrc=rss_amp_feed=12&amp;referer=');">http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Squire</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11175</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Squire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addamo_01 Aug 14th, 2006 at 2:42 am 
&lt;blockquote&gt; Israel&#8217;s version of Land for Peace: 
 
Kill them all, Occupy their land, and Celebrate the peace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It is almost &lt;em&gt;exactly &lt;/em&gt;the words of an Israeli general I once heard years ago (in a radio doco)....replacing &quot;their&quot; with &quot;our&quot;, of course. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addamo_01 Aug 14th, 2006 at 2:42 am</p>
<blockquote><p> Israel&rsquo;s version of Land for Peace:</p>
<p>Kill them all, Occupy their land, and Celebrate the peace.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is almost <em>exactly </em>the words of an Israeli general I once heard years ago (in a radio doco)&#8230;.replacing &quot;their&quot; with &quot;our&quot;, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11170</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is so alarming about Dershowitz&#039;s advocacy with setting aside jurisprudence, is that it implies that desperate times call for desperate measure.  The problem withthis positino is that according to Cheney, these measure are the new norm, so the pereptino that liberties and freedoms are being temporarily suspended is covering the fact that this shift is irreversable. 
 
So too, the notion that we are fighting to protect our freedoms is a complete sham.  We destroy countries in order to save them, and protect our freedoms by giving them up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so alarming about Dershowitz&#039;s advocacy with setting aside jurisprudence, is that it implies that desperate times call for desperate measure.  The problem withthis positino is that according to Cheney, these measure are the new norm, so the pereptino that liberties and freedoms are being temporarily suspended is covering the fact that this shift is irreversable. </p>
<p>So too, the notion that we are fighting to protect our freedoms is a complete sham.  We destroy countries in order to save them, and protect our freedoms by giving them up.</p>
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		<title>By: Addamo_01</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11164</link>
		<dc:creator>Addamo_01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust Finkelstein to let Dershowitz have it right between the eyes, like no one else can. 
 
Israel&#039;s version of Land for Peace: 
 
Kill them all, Occupy their land, and Celebrate the peace. 
 
Sounds more like the Israeli version of &quot;The Final Solution.&quot; 
 
Alan Dershowitz is showing the obvious signs of denrangement that comes from someone who&#039;s entire belief system is based on the myth of ones country beoing is all powerful and dominant and are then waking up one day to find it ain&#039;t so.  Him and his fellow Zionazis are losing it big time, because they are deseprate to grab whatever it is they can claim as a victory before the ceafire deadline they have agreed to.   
 
On August 6, the ABC reported, 
 
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&quot;Let&#039;s vote the resolution and then there&#039;s going to be an obligation by Israel and Lebanon to obey the resolution&quot; . . . Rice emphasized that if either Lebanon or Israel rejects the U.N. effort, &quot;then we&#039;ll see who&#039;s for peace and who isn&#039;t.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
This has forced Isrel&#039;s hand.  If they ignore the ceasefire, they will be seen to be as the aggressors that they are, but they have to secure some sumbolic sign of voctory in the mean time, otherwise, the vaunted IDF will have been seen as defeatable. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust Finkelstein to let Dershowitz have it right between the eyes, like no one else can. </p>
<p>Israel&#039;s version of Land for Peace: </p>
<p>Kill them all, Occupy their land, and Celebrate the peace. </p>
<p>Sounds more like the Israeli version of &quot;The Final Solution.&quot; </p>
<p>Alan Dershowitz is showing the obvious signs of denrangement that comes from someone who&#039;s entire belief system is based on the myth of ones country beoing is all powerful and dominant and are then waking up one day to find it ain&#039;t so.  Him and his fellow Zionazis are losing it big time, because they are deseprate to grab whatever it is they can claim as a victory before the ceafire deadline they have agreed to.   </p>
<p>On August 6, the ABC reported, </p>
<blockquote><p>
&quot;Let&#039;s vote the resolution and then there&#039;s going to be an obligation by Israel and Lebanon to obey the resolution&quot; . . . Rice emphasized that if either Lebanon or Israel rejects the U.N. effort, &quot;then we&#039;ll see who&#039;s for peace and who isn&#039;t.&quot;</p></blockquote>
<p>This has forced Isrel&#039;s hand.  If they ignore the ceasefire, they will be seen to be as the aggressors that they are, but they have to secure some sumbolic sign of voctory in the mean time, otherwise, the vaunted IDF will have been seen as defeatable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Squire</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Squire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how Dershowitz&#039;s &quot;moral logic&quot; works. So long as Israel&#039;s objectives have not been met (it has not &quot;finished the job&quot;), he specifies &lt;em&gt;no limit &lt;/em&gt;on the number of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians that are allowed to die (unintentionally, of course). There is nothing in Dershowitz&#039;s logic which disallows that number to be &quot;all of them.&quot; Dershowitz - the famed defender of civil liberties - is now a legitimator of the possibility of genocide.  
 
Note also that he restricts this right to the possibility of genocide to Israel, and does not extend it to Lebanese or Palestinians (read: Arabs). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how Dershowitz&#039;s &quot;moral logic&quot; works. So long as Israel&#039;s objectives have not been met (it has not &quot;finished the job&quot;), he specifies <em>no limit </em>on the number of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians that are allowed to die (unintentionally, of course). There is nothing in Dershowitz&#039;s logic which disallows that number to be &quot;all of them.&quot; Dershowitz &#8211; the famed defender of civil liberties &#8211; is now a legitimator of the possibility of genocide. </p>
<p>Note also that he restricts this right to the possibility of genocide to Israel, and does not extend it to Lebanese or Palestinians (read: Arabs).</p>
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		<title>By: orang</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/moral-barbarity/comment-page-1/#comment-11148</link>
		<dc:creator>orang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Prime Minister Begin, who was a member of the National Unity government in June 1967, that Israel &quot;had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.&quot; 
 
Well shit, right from the horses mouth. Begin of the Stern Gang - or was it the Irgun, who gives a fuck they were all terrorists. They fucked up the Arabs because they like it, nothing to do with hitting them &quot;first&quot;, and nothing to do with their survival. Another scam. 
 
From the link; 
 
&quot;He has urged the use of collective punishment such as the &quot;automatic destruction&quot; of a Palestinian village after each Palestinian attack. He has covered up Israel&#039;s use of torture on Palestinian detainees, and himself advocated the application of &quot;excruciating&quot; torture on suspected terrorists such as a &quot;needle being shoved under the fingernails.&quot; He has aligned himself with the Israeli government against courageous Israeli pilots refusing the immorality of targeted assassinations. He has denounced nonviolent resisters to the Israeli occupation as &quot;supporters of Palestinian terrorism.&quot; He has dismissed ethnic cleansing as a &quot;fifth-rate issue&quot; akin to &quot;massive urban renewal.&quot; He has advised Israel&#039;s senior government officials that Israel is not bound by international law. He has now sanctioned the extermination of the Lebanese people.&quot; 
 
The &quot;Harvard Law Professor&quot;, trying to fulfill that obsessive dream of being a terrorist state - but &quot;Legal&quot;. Sorry Douche Bag out you go. How about a bit of hot needle under your finger nails...come on don&#039;t be shy.. old bastard. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Prime Minister Begin, who was a member of the National Unity government in June 1967, that Israel &quot;had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.&quot;</p>
<p>Well shit, right from the horses mouth. Begin of the Stern Gang &#8211; or was it the Irgun, who gives a fuck they were all terrorists. They fucked up the Arabs because they like it, nothing to do with hitting them &quot;first&quot;, and nothing to do with their survival. Another scam.</p>
<p>From the link;</p>
<p>&quot;He has urged the use of collective punishment such as the &quot;automatic destruction&quot; of a Palestinian village after each Palestinian attack. He has covered up Israel&#039;s use of torture on Palestinian detainees, and himself advocated the application of &quot;excruciating&quot; torture on suspected terrorists such as a &quot;needle being shoved under the fingernails.&quot; He has aligned himself with the Israeli government against courageous Israeli pilots refusing the immorality of targeted assassinations. He has denounced nonviolent resisters to the Israeli occupation as &quot;supporters of Palestinian terrorism.&quot; He has dismissed ethnic cleansing as a &quot;fifth-rate issue&quot; akin to &quot;massive urban renewal.&quot; He has advised Israel&#039;s senior government officials that Israel is not bound by international law. He has now sanctioned the extermination of the Lebanese people.&quot;</p>
<p>The &quot;Harvard Law Professor&quot;, trying to fulfill that obsessive dream of being a terrorist state &#8211; but &quot;Legal&quot;. Sorry Douche Bag out you go. How about a bit of hot needle under your finger nails&#8230;come on don&#039;t be shy.. old bastard.</p>
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