Comments on: Running out of labels http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:36:56 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Family feud » | Antony Loewenstein http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-11589 Family feud » | Antony Loewenstein Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:31:59 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/#comment-11589 [...] TRY MEIN KAMPF If Steve Brook considers Antony Loewenstein’s book his “kind of book”, because Jeremy Jones described it as having evil intent, being covertly antisemitic and so on (AJN 11/8), I suggest Steve have a look at some other gems such as Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. [...] [...] TRY MEIN KAMPF If Steve Brook considers Antony Loewenstein’s book his “kind of book”, because Jeremy Jones described it as having evil intent, being covertly antisemitic and so on (AJN 11/8), I suggest Steve have a look at some other gems such as Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. [...]

]]> By: Addamo_01 http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-11199 Addamo_01 Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:44:45 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/#comment-11199 Captian, Comical and company have often asked for an example of University academics ebign censored with regards to Israel. Well, here is an extreme an example as you are ever liekly to come across: <blockquote> Douglas Giles is a recent casualty. He used to teach a class on world religions at Roosevelt University, Chicago, founded in memory of FDR and his liberal-inclined wife, Eleanor. Last year, Giles was ordered by his head of department, art historian Susan Weininger, not to allow students to ask questions about Palestine and Israel; in fact, nothing was to be mentioned in class, textbooks and examinations that could possibly open Judaism to criticism</blockquote> <blockquote> Leaving aside his boss’s doubtful qualifications to set limits on a class of comparative religion - her speciality is early 20th-century Midwestern artists such as Tunis Ponsen (nor have I) - the point to grasp is that Professor Giles did not make inflammatory statements himself: he merely refused to limit debate among the young minds in front of him.</blockquote> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1843543,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12 Captian, Comical and company have often asked for an example of University academics ebign censored with regards to Israel. Well, here is an extreme an example as you are ever liekly to come across:

Douglas Giles is a recent casualty. He used to teach a class on world religions at Roosevelt University, Chicago, founded in memory of FDR and his liberal-inclined wife, Eleanor. Last year, Giles was ordered by his head of department, art historian Susan Weininger, not to allow students to ask questions about Palestine and Israel; in fact, nothing was to be mentioned in class, textbooks and examinations that could possibly open Judaism to criticism

Leaving aside his boss’s doubtful qualifications to set limits on a class of comparative religion – her speciality is early 20th-century Midwestern artists such as Tunis Ponsen (nor have I) – the point to grasp is that Professor Giles did not make inflammatory statements himself: he merely refused to limit debate among the young minds in front of him.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1843543,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12

]]> By: Addamo_01 http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-11165 Addamo_01 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:44:20 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/#comment-11165 <blockquote>I can understand the term ’self-hating Jew’, and I can also understand that someone born a Jew could become anti-Jewish aka anti-Semitic.</blockquote> I think it's very ironic and very telloinig that this term was borrowed from WWII Germans who questioned the Nazi policies.

I can understand the term ’self-hating Jew’, and I can also understand that someone born a Jew could become anti-Jewish aka anti-Semitic.

I think it’s very ironic and very telloinig that this term was borrowed from WWII Germans who questioned the Nazi policies.

]]> By: JohD http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-11158 JohD Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:30:19 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/#comment-11158 I might add that many groups find themselves in a similar predicament from time to time - lest I be accused *gasp* - of anti-Semitism, this time under clause 6 of Article XI of the Prohibition of Jewish Hatred Act 1996 dealing with the singling out of Jewish Persons for behaviour in common with others. I might add that many groups find themselves in a similar predicament from time to time – lest I be accused *gasp* – of anti-Semitism, this time under clause 6 of Article XI of the Prohibition of Jewish Hatred Act 1996 dealing with the singling out of Jewish Persons for behaviour in common with others.

]]> By: JohD http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-11156 JohD Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:24:58 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/#comment-11156 <blockquote>I am not sure how Jews can be anti-semitic. </blockquote> I can understand the term 'self-hating Jew', and I can also understand that someone born a Jew could become anti-Jewish aka anti-Semitic. I am perplexed that many Jews often use the argument that they could not possibly be anti-Semitic because they are Jews. The way I see it, it is an issue of identity, and most anti-Zionist Jews consider it as a battle of perception revolving around the ownership of the Jewish identity. Jewish social politics has been corrupted, and since the creation of Israel, Zionist's have effectively corraled Jewish public opinion and shut out dissenting voices. The result is that they monopolize the perception of others about Jews. So, if you are Jewish, then you either struggle to win the battle of perception, or you give up on your identity and denounce what Judaism or Jewishness appears to have become. The former is a form of resistance, the latter anti-Semitism. Many Jews consider anti-Semitism to be a moral imperative, but resistance undoubtedly is by far the preferred option.

I am not sure how Jews can be anti-semitic.

I can understand the term ’self-hating Jew’, and I can also understand that someone born a Jew could become anti-Jewish aka anti-Semitic. I am perplexed that many Jews often use the argument that they could not possibly be anti-Semitic because they are Jews.

The way I see it, it is an issue of identity, and most anti-Zionist Jews consider it as a battle of perception revolving around the ownership of the Jewish identity. Jewish social politics has been corrupted, and since the creation of Israel, Zionist’s have effectively corraled Jewish public opinion and shut out dissenting voices. The result is that they monopolize the perception of others about Jews.

So, if you are Jewish, then you either struggle to win the battle of perception, or you give up on your identity and denounce what Judaism or Jewishness appears to have become. The former is a form of resistance, the latter anti-Semitism. Many Jews consider anti-Semitism to be a moral imperative, but resistance undoubtedly is by far the preferred option.

]]> By: Mannie De Saxe http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-11145 Mannie De Saxe Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:19:30 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/08/13/running-out-of-labels/#comment-11145 The more these pathetic creatures rant and rave, the more they claim they represent the Jews of Australia, the more the book proves just how necessary it was for it to have been written. Also the better the publicity and sales. Jeremy Jones and his ilk love the expression "far-left" and are also very fond of describing us as anti-semitic Jews. I am not sure how Jews can be anti-semitic. They can be anti-Israel since Israel has shown itself to be a client state of the USA. The next announcement from the Israeli government will surely be "We have no further territorial ambitions!" - except the waters of the Litani River just for starters. Congratulations, Antony, keep up the good work - you are getting to them, as evidenced by their pathetic book reviews and criticism! The more these pathetic creatures rant and rave, the more they claim they represent the Jews of Australia, the more the book proves just how necessary it was for it to have been written.

Also the better the publicity and sales. Jeremy Jones and his ilk love the expression “far-left” and are also very fond of describing us as anti-semitic Jews.

I am not sure how Jews can be anti-semitic. They can be anti-Israel since Israel has shown itself to be a client state of the USA. The next announcement from the Israeli government will surely be “We have no further territorial ambitions!” – except the waters of the Litani River just for starters.

Congratulations, Antony, keep up the good work – you are getting to them, as evidenced by their pathetic book reviews and criticism!

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