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Small minds unite

When the Sydney-based, right-wing think-tank, The Centre for Independent Studies, hosts an event titled, “It’s Not ‘Them’, It’s Us: The Need to Regain Confidence in Western Culture” – and invites conservative columnist Mark Steyn, Murdoch commentator Janet Albrechtsen and foreign policy “realist” Owen Harries to participate – proceedings are bound to follow a predictable line. Last night’s “Big Ideas Forum” did not disappoint.

Over 500 people packed a large hall in the city centre. The crowd largely consisted of old, white males (including historical revisionist Keith Windshuttle, the Australian’s Paul Kelly and monarchist tragic David Flint.) It was also appropriate that former politician and bigot Pauline Hanson came to hear about the Muslim “threat”.

Albrechtsen introduced the night by asking whether “Western self-esteem is waning.” “The West”, she stated, “has a self-correcting mechanism” and openness is one of its strengths. “Capitalism works”, she said. She boasted of a story that Foreign Minister Alexander Downer recently told her. When Downer gets home “after a long day on the political hustings”, he does three things; drinks a whisky on the couch, turns on Fox News and downloads the latest Mark Steyn column. This “insight” was warmly received by the crowd.

Steyn’s speech was peppered with jibes at Islam, Muslims and the West itself, but strangely devoid of any sense that he had actually spent time with any Muslims to form his prejudiced views. For him, Islam is the enemy within, a religion that is insidiously undermining Western “values” and must be challenged and stopped. Islam is the “ideology du jour”, he joked. Multiculturalism is “based on lies” and is a “suicide pact.” As he progressed, his so-called insights became more ludicrous but the aging audience lapped it up.

He lovingly recalled English imperialism and its attitude towards the natives. They at least realised that some cultures were superior to others, Steyn said. “Islam hates other cultures”, he offered, without a whiff of evidence for such a preposterous claim. Perhaps he should have added that some Jews hate Arabs, but of course, Jews are now the favoured people of the Right.

Steyn rambled on about the West destroying fascism and communism, “but it will be much more difficult to combat multiculturalism.” He then concluded his speech with this: “The Western blessings since 1945 must be maintained. The freedom’s we’ve enjoyed since then will not continue unless we fight for them.” His profound hatred of anything or anybody non-Western was revealed, and yet he wore this badge proudly. He had no problem with the West humiliating or exploiting other cultures for his pleasure because, after all, we all want to maintain our cosy lives since 1945.

Nowhere in his speech did he define “Western values”. In fact, when later asked about George W. Bush and his mission to “democratise” the Middle East, Steyn said he preferred the term “liberation”. This is a man, of course, who recently stated that the Iraq war had been a success.

Owen Harries was far more considered in his comments. He rightly claimed that, “most conservatives are overly alarmist about the West.” He said that the US and Europe were becoming “less Western” due to growing Latino and Muslim populations and there is little pressure for assimilation.

The tone of the evening argued that such developments are a threat, when surely they should be seen as an opportunity to naturally develop and evolve our communities. Paranoia should not be the default position of the Western mind-set (despite the existence of occasional terrorism.) After all, the “war on terror” is a fraud.

The Q&A session consisted primarily of old men railing against Islam, the West, immigrants, multiculturalism and the “elites.” One question, from Sydney lawyer, commentator and Muslim Irfan Yusuf, asked Steyn how much he actually knew about Islam and whether he’d simply updated The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, such was his belief in a Muslim conspiracy to take over the West and destroy it from within.

The crowd were unimpressed with the question and Steyn displayed his usual wit to avoid answering it. He did say, however, that he’d been told moderate Muslims do exist but they all seem to be weak and ineffective.

Even Pauline Hanson asked Steyn to explain why many Western countries, including Australia, were changing beyond recognition. What she meant, of course, was the arrival of immigrants from non-white backgrounds.

One audience member asked Albrechtsen what she thought of the media landscape. She started by acknowledging the difficulty in speaking frankly due to her position on the ABC board, but said she thought the last 5-10 years had seen a steadily improving media, “such as Fox News.”

The evening proved that many Western conservatives have a strong desire to replace one “evil” – communism – with a 21st century version. Enter Islam. Steyn and his fellow travellers speak eloquently about Western civilisation on the verge of collapse, but the kind of world they imagine is not one that I either recognise or want. Thankfully, his “vision” is likely to die with the Bush administration. Likewise the elderly types at last night’s event probably still fondly remember the White Australia policy. They’ll be dead soon enough.

43 comments ↪
  • Ed Squire

    All I can say is:

    God save our gracious Queen,

    Long live our noble Queen,

    God save the Queen:

    Send her victorious,

    Happy and glorious,

    Long to reign over us:

    God save the Queen.

    O Lord, our God, arise,

    Scatter her enemies,

    And make them fall.

    Confound their politics,

    Frustrate their knavish tricks,

    On Thee our hopes we fix,

    God save us all.

    Thy choicest gifts in store,

    On her be pleased to pour;

    Long may she reign:

    May she defend our laws,

    And ever give us cause

    To sing with heart and voice

    God save the Queen

  • Addamo_01

    As Rumsfeld would say, My Goodness.

    Having Pauline Hanson attending just about says it all doesn't it. I guiess David Duke didn't bother to RSVP.

    I am surprise that the even wasn't beanded with a muslim equivalent of "Two Wongs don't make a white".

    I must admit to being quite alarmed at the idea of even Downer being abel to stomach Fox News, unless he's doing so under the feitly of his boss.

    They at least realised that some cultures were superior to others, Steyn said. “Islam hates other cultures”, he offered, without a whiff of evidence for such a preposterous claim.

    Hitler could not have said it better.

    What's so paradoxical abtou these people. is hwo the hark back to the good old days of British Colonialiasm, yet now resent the baggage that comes with it. These nostagic throbacks seem unabel to grasp the concept that if you are going to colonise a country and turn the population into British subjects, then that is likely to result in those subjects wanting to follow the money to the fatherland.

    Britain would not be anywhere near as multicultural if it had nto raped and pillaged much of the world during the height of it's reign.

    And if we needed more prove fo Steyn's dernagement, we have this quote:

    The freedom’s we’ve enjoyed since then will not continue unless we fight for them.

    At the very time that those freedoms are bing sripoped away in the US, Britain and Australia. But hey, it;s the thoguth that counts.

    He had no problem with the West humiliating or exploiting other cultures for his pleasure because, after all, we all want to maintain our cosy lives since 1945.

    Yet, this same man will turn around and cotinue to ponder why do they hate us?

    She started by acknowledging the difficulty in speaking frankly due to her position on the ABC board, but said she thought the last 5-10 years had seen a steadily improving media, “such as Fox News.”

    Truly Orwellian when someone affiliated with the ABC can make such statement. It's no less extreme than someone from FOX News speaking glowingly abtou Al Jazeera.

  • Addamo_01

    Someone should also inform Heir Steyn that even Rumsfeld wants ot of the Iraq war. When the Captian of the ship thinks it's time to bail, that is usually a signal that the ship is lost.

  • Ian

    I wish I shared your conviction that the crazies and their "vision" will depart the scene with the mad king, Antony, but these wankers have proven a resilent bunch since their first patron, Reagan shuffle out of the White House and into bewilderment.

    If the next POTUS is as wary of thm as King Fruitloop's dad was they may slither back into the cracks for a while, or its he's a Democrat try and white ant him with lurid nonsense ala Clinton. But the deity help us if his first name is Jed, for no lesser power will be able to!!!!

  • Addamo

    You have a point Ian. I too suspetc that like WWII, westerns society will have to sink to the very bottom before we turn the corner.

    No matter how obvious the flaws of these right wing ideologies are exposed, there are leements on the right that will never concede. Elemetns that are determined to see any outcome as vindication of their position.

    People like Steyn, who are defnding the Iraq war, will never be swayed to admit it is a failure, no matter how bad the situation gets. Even then, his kind will then lay the blame at the feet of others, especialy muslims.

  • This "Big Ideas Forum", is that a sarcastic reference to the series that ABC Radio National's Philip Adams usually presides over? Did this happy gathering get reported on anywhere else?

    I think the Alan Jones-type audience is probably dying off, but I too fear that this bunch will have more longevity. The Janet Albrechtsons (and Miranda Devines, etc) have a lot of bile and column inches left in them. Probably a few tv shows in the future too. If Albrechtson is such a fan of Fox news and a board member of the ABC, well God save the Queen, because nothing will save our ABC! Perhaps the Howard government will give up trying to find a right wing Philip Adams for the ABC (in the interests of balance of course) and will simply install an Australian Bill O'Reilly. Or ten.

    As for Steyn, what a creep. I heard him on the radio (yep, the ABC) a few days ago. There's nothing like exploiting weak, embattled minorities (ie Muslims) for a few laughs, eh? I reckon you'd have to be of a certain idealogical bent to even find him amusing, in the same way that neo-Nazis probably laugh their heads off at anti Jewish jokes that anyone else would be offended by. The bit about how well the Iraq war is going was grimly funny though, but not for the reasons he intended.

  • Addamo

    It wil be interesting listeing to peoepl liek Steyn explain theri way out of the dung heap they reside in when the iraq war becomes so untenable that even the Bushies pull out.

    Expect to hear them praise their marlvelous victory, in spite of nothing different on the ground.

  • Ros

    The crowd largely consisted of old, white males

    the aging audience lapped it up.

    The Q&A session consisted primarily of old men railing

    Likewise the elderly types at last night’s event probably still fondly remember the White Australia policy. They’ll be dead soon enough.

    That lets me off, I am an ageing white woman. Of course there are some advantages to ageing, like having lived through some of the seminal events that Antony indirectly refers to. Like the ending of the White Australia Policy. Which also means that one remembers which particular bodies politic were so fond of it, and fought so hard to stop those non whites from becoming Australians. I will leave you to educate yourselves. I will throw in this thought however, it always bothered me when I worked in the union business, how little power and position non-whites had in the blue collar unions, I can’t remember a single one actually. But in fact that was pretty recent so maybe I am not as old as I think and don’t have to die soon.

    Having Pauline attend, well it seems they Had Antony attend as well, how else would he be able to dismiss the audience as old and hence stupid.

    Addamo, Heir Steyn, playing the Hitler card, you can do better.

    But them what does my opinion matter, I will be dead soon enough, though apparently not soon enough for some.

  • orang

    And if we needed more prove fo Steyn’s dernagement, we have this quote:

    "The freedom’s we’ve enjoyed since then will not continue unless we fight for them."

    Come on over to my place Mark I'll invite a coupla hard pipe hitting males of Middle East Appearance who just enjoy the hell out of your love letters to Muslims.

    Who the fuck made that the ABC take that c*nt on their board. What the hell is going on? Is to get some Right Wing venom into the news?

  • orang

    Yuk, and they would have sucked all the oxygen out of the air at that meeting, the sky was blanked out by black and red clouds of putrid puss, heynas gathered at the stench of their rotting flesh….

    "She boasted of a story that Foreign Minister Alexander Downer recently told her. When Downer gets home “after a long day on the political hustings”, he does three things; drinks a whisky on the couch, turns on Fox News and downloads the latest Mark Steyn column."….puts on his stockings, cocks a cheek and emits a loud fart…Which is about what that tit bit of news is worth.

  • Addamo_01

    Ros,

    Addamo, Heir Steyn, playing the Hitler card, you can do better.

    I felt that Steyn had made an extreme commen that would have been at home in such a rascist/white supremacist envirnment

    But them what does my opinion matter, I will be dead soon enough, though apparently not soon enough for some.

    On the contrary Ros,

    I hold your opinion in high regard, as do others here. And I sincerely hope that your passing will be a long time in comming. You're a good person and the world needs more people like you, and less like Steyn.

  • smiths

    such an interesting barometer of the times,
    steyn is a moron, he has no ability to gauge the depth of any issue or point,
    albrechtsen is the same,
    in any normal time these would be pub ravers, ignored by sensible people,
    but right now they are respectable 'columnists' and 'commentators'
    what a sad state of affairs

    take this drivel for instance,

    August 6, 2006
    MARK STEYN, SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

    "Disproportion" is the concept of the moment. Do you know how to play? Let's say 150 missiles are lobbed at northern Israel from the Lebanese village of Qana and the Israelis respond with missiles of their own that kill 28 people. Whoa, man, that's way "disproportionate."
    But let's say you're a northwestern American municipality — Seattle, for example — and you haven't lobbed missiles at anybody, but a Muslim male shows up anyway and shoots six Jewish women, one of whom tries to flee up the stairs, but he spots her, leans over the railing, fires again and kills her. He describes himself as "an American Muslim angry at Israel" and tells 911 dispatchers: ''These are Jews. I want these Jews to get out. I'm tired of getting pushed around, and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.''
    Well, that's apparently entirely "proportionate," so "proportionate" that the event is barely reported in the American media, or (if it is) it's portrayed as some kind of random convenience-store drive-by shooting.

    now call me an idiot if you like but i think he's comparing apples and pears here,
    either he doesnt realize it which makes him a moron, or he knows it full well which makes him a dishonest hate-inciting snake in the grass,
    either way he should be ignored

  • I'd think the Israeli press would be a bit embarrassed with some of the images of the damage caused by the Hezbollah rockets they put out. Granted some really make a mess if they're lucky enough to score a direct hit on say a house, and they certainly kill people, but you will also see shots of a group of people standing around a small hole in the road with a twisted bit of metal alongside which may as well be a bit of exhaust pipe that fell off a car. I'd imagine their accuracy leaves a bit to be desired to say the least. Compare that with the US made state of the art bunker busting bombs which the IDF can drop with great precision anywhere in Lebanon they want to, which can pulverise anything in their path, creating huge craters and flattening entire apartment blocks. Is that how the "Disproportion" game goes? For every 28 dead Lebanese the IDF bombs causes untold misery and suffering, scores of injured and displaced, devastation to infrastructure that will set that country back years. We're supposed to believe that the kidnapping of two soldiers justifies this? More Lebanese than 28 had to die before Hezbollah responded with their rockets it must be remembered. And this tosser wants to talk about proportion?

    Steyn is comparing apples with underpants. Downer and Steyn deserve each other.

  • Addamo_01

    Steyn is a human stain.

    Let's not forget the nuge numbers of unexploded cluster bombs that litter the South of Lebanon. One child has already been killed by thes things dressed up to look like toys.

  • smiths

    or the fact that hezbollah thought that they might be able to get 9000 Lebanese and Arabs in israeli prisons back for 2 captured Israeli soldiers.
    so the value of arab life is 1/4500th of an Israeli's life

    proportion?

  • We can play the proportion game all day. What's that quote about Jewish fingernails and Arabs again? Oh yes, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 Smiths, it would appear that the value of arab life is much less than 1/4500 of an Israeli life, Hezbollah's demands (if in fact that is the number of prisoners that they wanted to exchange for the two Israeli soldiers, I'm not sure it is) appear quite modest in this context.

  • Jack Lacton

    They hated us before 7/7.

    They hated us before 9/11.

    They hated us before Gulf War I.

    They hated us before Reagan.

    So why do they hate us?

  • Jack,

    You need to go back a little further than that I'm afraid. Try the Balfour Declaration for starters. I'd recommend Robert Fisk's excellent The Great War for Civilisation as an introduction to Western treachery in the region. It will answer your question quite thoroughly I believe.

  • Ed Squire

    Jack Lacton Aug 16th, 2006 at 2:48 pm

    They hated us before 7/7.

    They hated us before 9/11.

    They hated us before Gulf War I.

    They hated us before Reagan.

    So why do they hate us?

    Because we've been killing their families for a very, very, very long time.

  • Ros

    Smiths you might like further information showing the Jews again using disproportionate force.

    “European leaders today expressed their "acute concern" over the intensifying conflict between Jews and…… European powers adopted a declaration calling for an immediate end to the hostilities……. Jews must show "utmost restraint" and not resort to "disproportionate action."”

    The following might help if you can’t remember these actual words.

    “Members of a League of Nations anti-bias panel criticized Warsaw Jews on Thursday for violating humanitarian law and racially targeting the Nazis.”

    And

    “Europe's call for an end to hostilities in the Warsaw Ghetto raises questions over how long Jews can stave off international pressure to end their three-week offensive in Warsaw, which has claimed hundreds of lives and created a refugee crisis. While moderate politicians are urging Jews to exercise "restraint" in their retaliation against the Nazis, most European leaders are denouncing Jewish retaliation as "disproportionate."

    Or

    “Joseph Goebbels, a charismatic spokesman for the popular National Socialist German Workers Party, described the aftermath of Jewish strikes as "dramatic" and said Jewish forces had struck "very important elements of infrastructure," demanding that perpetrators be brought to justice at a press-conference in Berlin on Wednesday. "Jews must be held accountable for their war crimes, terrorism, and systematic human rights violations committed against the Aryan people," Mr. Goebbels said.”

    “Miscalculations by Jews and Nazis have weakened Europe's fragile unity. A ceasefire is needed immediately. Where is Zionist exit strategy? Jewish hawks have started a war without any plausible objectives, any viable plan for disengagement, or any rational assessment of costs and benefits. Are they ready to absorb damage on the home front?”

    “The Jews' bloody response to concentration camps has united their enemies and divided their friends, the results of a current poll show. Atrocities committed by the Zionist militants in Warsaw and elsewhere have appalled Western opinion. The stature of the Gestapo grows, and the uprising has succeeded in discrediting moderate Germans and silencing the Nazi leaders in Berlin who were ready to start talking instead of killing. “

    European papers at the time.

    Source The People’s Cube

    That damn Balfour Declaration.

  • M.Mayes

    But let’s say you’re a northwestern American municipality — Seattle, for example — and you haven’t lobbed missiles at anybody, but a Muslim male shows up anyway and shoots six Jewish women

    I'm gonna side with smiths on this one. That has nothing to do with the situation in the middle east nor is that muslim representative of any State in the middle east.

    The hypothetical action would be deplorable but I could just as easily make up a scenario the same but in reverse. "2 causasian males beat the shit through a random muslim man because they are angry at the bali bombings".

    Well, that’s apparently entirely “proportionate,” so “proportionate” that the event is barely reported in the American media, or (if it is) it’s portrayed as some kind of random convenience-store drive-by shooting.

    Well known fact, the media reports stories based on what get people to read/watch, Muslim crime GETS RATINGS, people watch because it fuels their anger present from the last muslim crime report. So why in Steyn's little situation there would it either not be reported or dulled down to a convenience store shootout WHEN THE MEDIA KNOWS IT WILL SELL MORE PAPERS OTHERWISE!

    man this guys a douche.

  • Jack Lacton

    Ed,

    'We' have NOT been killing their families for a very, very long time. You need to read some history; starting with the how Islam came about and the fact that it has expanded solely through violent Jihad and never peacefully.

    The real reason that they hate us is really very simple.

    They hate our individualism, what they see as our nihilism. Our abbrogation of morality (in their terms) for personal freedom. It scares them witless. The irony is that those ideals are most strongly held by people who currently support them.

    Cheers

    Jack

  • It's like George Bush said, "they don't know how good we are".

  • So then it's like the bumper stickers say, "Kick their ass and take their gas" That'll show them how good we are.

  • orang

    I get it now. They hate us anyway, so what the fuck, lets kill their kids and steal their oil/land/water..

    It begins to make sense.

  • smiths

    ros,
    get this through your thick head,
    what the nazi's did to the jews is not a permanent justification for any future behaviour,
    grow up

  • Addamo_01

    Jack Lacton

    They hate our individualism, what they see as our nihilism. Our abbrogation of morality (in their terms) for personal freedom. It scares them witless. The irony is that those ideals are most strongly held by people who currently support them.

    That's complete rubbish mate,

    They don't give a crap about our individualism, our freedoms, our anything. We have been meddling in their affairs for over a century. We have overthrown their governments, invaded their lands, occupied their countries, supported dictators whoa re friendly to the US.

    Take Iran.

    In 1953 the US overthrows their democratically elected leader for daring to want to nationalise their oil and gas resources.

    The US installs a puppet tyrant who treats the people like dirt for 25 years. The US says Iranshoudl have nuclar power in 1967.

    They get fed up with this arsehol and overthrow him. The US cuts ties with them.

    In 1986, the US nazy shoots down and Irania passnger plane carring 290 Iranians – all dies. The US says sorry, shit happens.

    If theyhad done tha to the US, it would be considered an act of war.

    We are now threatenign to impement regime change and/or attack the country for a false premise, nuclear weapons. The US says that Iran has no justification for wanting nuclear power.

    In 2003, Iran wrote a memo to the US wantign to establish normal relations with the US. IN cluded in that is an offer to recognise Israel, diswon Hezbollah and give up nuclear power aspirartions. The Bushadministartions not only ignores the offer, but condems the Swiss Embassy for passing on the memo.

    You still wondering why they hate us?

  • Suze

    Ros -that link above about the Warsaw uprising is not real- it is satire. Please have a look around- there are many links about it and you can contact NY times about that supposed "front Page" which immediately looks fake- it has a very famous photo from the ghetto on it for a start.

  • Addamo_01

    BTW Jack Lacton

    I forgot to mentino the decade long war with Iraq, that claimed the lives fo half a million Iranians. The US backed Iraq, even though Iraq started it.

  • Ian

    The real reason that they hate us is really very simple.

    They hate our individualism,

    They no more care about your individualism, or freedoms, or any of the other things you've been fed by the war criminals Bush, Blair and Howard.

    They hate us because they were promised their land in return for helping the British during WW1 only to have the British (and French, with he blessing of America) agree in the Balfour Agreement to let foreigners, Jews, have land.

    These foreigners then acted thus:

    "Serfs they (the Jews) were in the lands of the Diaspora, and suddenly they find themselves in freedom [in Palestine]; and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause, and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination."

    — Zionist writer Ahad Ha'am, quoted in Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."

    They hate us because in 1947 America browbeat the UN into dividing Palestine giving nearly half to foreigners, Jews, and more over letting these foreigners rule even though their population was much smaller and they only owned about 6% of the land – the legality of even that was questionable. The Partition violated the UN's own charter and is therefore possibly legally questionable.

    They hate us because even before the Patition of Palestine came into affect:

    "Before the end of the mandate and, therefore before any possible intervention by Arab states, the Jews, taking advantage of their superior military preparation and organization, had occupied…most of the Arab cities in Palestine before May 15, 1948. Tiberias was occupied on April 19, 1948, Haifa on April 22, Jaffa on April 28, the Arab quarters in the New City of Jerusalem on April 30, Beisan on May 8, Safad on May 10 and Acre on May 14, 1948…In contrast, the Palestine Arabs did not seize any of the territories reserved for the Jewish state under the partition resolution."

    — Henry Cattan, "Palestine, The Arabs and Israel."

    and

    "Menahem Begin, the Leader of the Irgun, tells how 'in Jerusalem, as elsewhere, we were the first to pass from the defensive to the offensive…Arabs began to flee in terror…Hagana was carrying out successful attacks on other fronts, while all the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter'…The Israelis now allege that the Palestine war began with the entry of the Arab armies into Palestine after 15 May 1948. But that was the second phase of the war; they overlook the massacres, expulsions and dispossessions which took place prior to that date and which necessitated Arab states' intervention."

    — Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."

    and

    "For the entire day of April 9, 1948, Irgun and LEHI soldiers carried out the slaughter in a cold and premeditated fashion…The attackers 'lined men, women and children up against the walls and shot them,'…The ruthlessness of the attack on Deir Yassin shocked Jewish and world opinion alike, drove fear and panic into the Arab population, and led to the flight of unarmed civilians from their homes all over the country."

    — Israeli author, Simha Flapan, "The Birth of Israel."

    and

    "By 1948, the Jew was not only able to 'defend himself' but to commit massive atrocities as well. Indeed, according to the former director of the Israeli army archives, 'in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes'…Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that 'every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.'"

    — Norman Finkelstein, "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict."

    Yet, as Hadawi noted, we inthe West blame the Arabs for 1948, just as we, unjustly, blame the Arabs for 1967 when it was Israel that stared the war without justification. This is what 3 Israelis said about what really happend in 1967:

    "I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it."

    — Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

    "many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland…'They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land…We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.

    And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was…The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'"

    — Moshe Dyan, Israeli Defence Minister 1967, quoted The New York Times, May 11, 1997

    In a speech delivered on Aug. 8, 1982, at the Israeli National Defense College then Israeli PM, and one time indicted terrorist, Menachem Begin admitted Israel started the 1957, 1967 general wars and also the 1980 invasion of Lebanon and that the security of Israel was never at stake. You can now add Lebanon 2006 to that list.

    Yet instead of blaming Israel, we blame the Arabs and so have let Israel steal even more of Palestine in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter, and treat the Palestinians worse than the RSPCA lets us treat animals.

    And that is but a small sample of the injustice committed against Arabs, and Iranians, in the last 100 years!

    Whoever wrote: "As you sow so shall you reap" knew what he was talking about!!

  • Addamo_01

    I was reminded of what was said to me on the second of the six days of the 1967 war when I was a very young ITN correspondent reporting from Israel. One of my sources was Major General Chaim Herzog. He was one of the founding fathers of Israel’s Directorate of Military Intelligence. On the second day of that war he said to me in private conversation: “If Nasser had not been stupid enough to give us a PRETEXT for war now, we would have created one in the coming year to 18 months.”

    http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/11313638.html

  • Ed Squire

    Jack Lacton Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:02 pm

    ‘We’ have NOT been killing their families for a very, very long time.

    'We' refers to Western colonialists – France, Great Britain, and now the U.S. A 'long time' refers to just over a hundred years. My statement stands true. Please read the national histories of the above nations vis-a-vis the Middle East. Better still, read some old histories with all the racist orientalism still in it. Fascinating stuff.

    You need to read some history; starting with the how Islam came about and the fact that it has expanded solely through violent Jihad and never peacefully.

    Oh, you mean like in Malaysia and Indonesia? Whoops-a-daisy – I think you just tripped over your own ignorance. Maybe you should do the reading. Let me know when you're up to speed.

    The real reason that they hate us is really very simple.

    Oh, I can't wait for this. An ignorant Muslim-hater (who apparently doesn't even know that the world's largest Muslim nation exists) is going to explain to me 50 words or less what all 1.2 billion of the world's most ethnically diverse and complex religion think. This should be good.

    They hate our individualism,

    Nope. They came up with that while the West were still in the dark ages.

    what they see as our nihilism.

    Nope. They see 'us' as arrogant. You've been reading waaay too may neo-con world-diagnosis pamphlets.

    Our abbrogation of morality (in their terms) for personal freedom.

    Nope. Only with respect to military interventions in the Middle East.

    It scares them witless.

    Nope. The average Muslim simply doesn't care about these fantasies you're having. Their main concern, like non-Muslims' – it to simply get by in life; have some kids, earn some money, play with their grandkids, and die old and contented. Of course, they do get scared witless, and then angry, when 2 tonne bombs made in the USA drop on their house and kill their family members. Would you be scared witless and then angry if, before your eyes, bombs made in the USA blew the flesh off your wife and children, simply because of where you lived?

  • Ed Squire

    Jack Lacton,

    Here's Sheik Hamza Yusuf, one of Islam's well known shaykhs – who you would call a psychotic, anti-individualist monster. See how far off you are?

  • Addamo

    Great stuff as always Ed,

    The parents of those children, should they be alive, are not supposed to have any reason to hate the US or Israel. They are muslims, and muslims die – shit happens.

  • Looking back over these posts, I have to say well done folks. I think the likes of Jack really make it too easy. Debating these apologists for Zionism is like shooting fish in a barrel!

  • Addamo_01

    Debating these apologists for Zionism is like shooting fish in a barrel!

    It may seem that way, but let's be honest here, the guy is outnumbered.

    Try going head to head with a crowd and it's pretty daunting. Logic is no defense against fanaticism.

  • Addamo,

    True. As you say, logic is no defense. Nor appeals to common decency. I've harmed a few friendships with Jewish people by trying to persuade them of the error of their ways. The depressing thing is that in the big wide world their fanaticism and bullying is winning the day.

  • Addamo_01

    Andrew,

    I think it comes down to people operating from a positino of fear. Fear of terrorism, fear of the being proven wrong, fear of your belief system being quesrioned. It all breeds a fanaticism in the end.

    That's why otherwise intelligent people like Viva, blurt out terms like islamofascism to reduce otherwise complex matters down to the simplest common denomicnation, like it was some kind ofaffirmation. People like him must love the way it rolls of the tongue.

    And Justin Raimondo put it today:

    All fanatics are fond of systematic – and simplistic – explanations: in their view, everything is part of a vast narrative telling the story of a Manichean struggle between Darkness and Light. There is no differentiation, no variety in their analysis: from the neocon perspective, all Muslims are the same, there is no distinction to be made between Sunni and Shi'ite, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda, the ayatollahs of Iraq and those of Iran, the Wahhabis and the Alawites. They are all servants of "the terror masters," as Ledeen, with his flair for melodrama, dubs the governments of the region.

  • M.Mayes

    They hate our individualism, what they see as our nihilism. Our abbrogation of morality (in their terms) for personal freedom. It scares them witless. The irony is that those ideals are most strongly held by people who currently support them.

    Did Bush tell you that himself? sounds like something straight from one of his halfwit speeches, "They hate freedom, They hate democracy", anyhow thats extremely presumptuous of you Jack and I would really like to know your source on that one because what Ed said about killing their families actually has historic evidence to back it up… your explaination is just a neocon thought bubble

  • viva peace

    Ed Squires

    What a pompous hypocrite you are. You have posted dozens of posts of this site sneering whenever posters mention "we," "us," "they," or "them." And you always use that Thick-Leftist "scare quotes" just to emphaize your snivelling sarcasm. You've even resorted to that "other" Thick-Leftist trope – "orientalism."

    Please. grow up and get an education.

  • Ian

    “If Nasser had not been stupid enough to give us a PRETEXT for war now, we would have created one in the coming year to 18 months.”

    Indeed, creating conflict has been the basic MO of the Zionists since they moved into Palestine and the IDF since Israel was founded. To quote Moshe Dyan, who knew better than most what the IDF was all about:

    "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no – it must – invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge…And above all – let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space."

    — Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt diary entry, May 1955,

    quoted by Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."

    So the only way to keep Israel united and morale high is to go out and kill Arabs every so often, with the added bonus of getting more stolen land!

    I've said it before and IMHO it bears repeating: somewhere in the hottest recesses of hell Hitler has been pissing himself laughing at what his foes have become – mirrors of himself.

  • Ed Squire

    viva peace Aug 17th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

    What a pompous hypocrite you are.

    Ooo – I love it when you talk dirty.

    You have posted dozens of posts of this site sneering whenever posters mention “we,” “us,” “they,” or “them.”

    Jusat following the lead of Jack. While I don't agree with using the collective "us" (etc.), one has to make concessions of language in order to communicate. Note that I actually implicitly subvert the use of the implicit collective noun of '[all] Muslims' in my own example of Indonesia.

    I hope that is pompous enough for you Vivasection.

    And you always use that Thick-Leftist “scare quotes” just to emphaize your snivelling sarcasm.

    The quotation marks indicate irony. This is standard for those versed in the use of the English language. I strongly encourage you to better assimilate into the Australian society and learn about this wonderfully complex language. (Again, I hope the pomposity is sufficient.)

    You’ve even resorted to that “other” Thick-Leftist trope – “orientalism.”

    Err – the orientalists call themselves orientalists, you poor uneducated dolt. Take up the gripe with them.

  • Paul Walter

    Excruciating Ros; better than sex is a good laugh from a bit of well-placed satire (must be getting old).

    Yes, description of the rocky-horror show- mad hatter's tea party would sound truly side- splitting, were it not so dolorous.

    Talk about a Nuremberg rally for the "Volkisch"!

    The magnitude of the piteousness is exemplified in the notion that a gathering of beanie-wearing, battle-jacketed vagabonds and outcasts along the sandy banks of the Todd River of Alice Springs, gains dignity by comparison.

    At least the second group are there through the fault of others rather than themseves and a desire tothe remnants of their culture; driven to their dire straights by brutal exclusion. What excuse the lazy, meglomaniac cretins described by Tony, inflated to the point of rupture by their inflated vanity, ignorance and arrogance.