certain Pro-Israel posters on here (along with AIJAC and their followers) cannot accept that Israel may bear some responsibility [jargon deleted] the failure of peace agreements.

As written above I think that ALL Pro-Israel posters here would agree. Though that would not suit the simplistic and hairy-chested moral highground brigade.

But I didnt suggest that anyone was either, rather certain Pro-Israel posters on here (along with AIJAC and their followers) cannot accept that Israel nay bear some responsibility for the Palestinian suicide bombing, the subsequent actions by the IDF and the failure of peace agreements. If you can accept that Israel has responsibility aswell then I am sorry, that post should not have been targeted at you.

No M.Hayes. Is Israel is not always “right”. Only those who are blinkered by blind faith are “always right”

what about being alive and right?

Ignorance is bliss.

Brief and only answer.

It is better to be ALIVE AND WRONG then to be DEAD AND RIGHT.

Yo have no idea what a hipocrite you are do you?

Step 1: Stop the blame game.

Answer: What about accountability and responsibility? Or do we just open up all the prison gates and let everyone out?

Step 2: Stop playing the my pain is greater than your pain game.

Answer: I presume that does not apply to the Holocuast right?

Step 3: Stop playing the my ideology is better than your ideology game.

Answer: So we can dro teh inslamofascist bullshit them? We can lose the westrn democratic exceptionalism bullshit too?

Step 4: Do NOT talk about JUSTICE and TRUTH and PERVERSIONS…

Answer: Oh i see. Bad prinicipals huh? So what do you propose?

Might makes right?
Posession is nine tenths fo the law?
Finders keeprs?
Life’s a bitch?
Meakness means weakness?
Truth is relative?
Justice is in the eye of the beholder?

Mourn your losses and then leave them behind. Work on the present towards a more JUST (not necessarily REALLY JUST) future.

When is the cut off date for past losses? Does it apply to the Holocaust? oes it apply to the ebreaved relatives of the 1000 dead in Lebanon?

how do you solve a problem which does not even exist in the consciousness of a large proportion of people

If really I did then I would not be here. Then again…

Some ideas:

Step 1: Stop the blame game.
Step 2: Stop playing the my pain is greater than your pain game.
Step 3: Stop playing the my ideology is better than your ideology game.
Step 4: Do NOT talk about JUSTICE and TRUTH and PERVERSIONS… Instead help to coax people towards viable live and let live paradigms and acknowledge that PAST INJUSTICES are just that. In the past. Mourn your losses and then leave them behind. Work on the present towards a more JUST (not necessarily REALLY JUST) future.

And finally, execute all those who do not agree with me.

Good night…

And how do you solve a problem which does not even exist in the consciousness of a large proportion of people- including the so called Jewish Lobby in Australia who just keep mouthing the “evils of Islam” stuff ad infinitum?

Indeed Suze,

There seems ot be a sense of normality among the right wing, and Zionists when it comes to the killing of Arabs, as though it were a unfortunate but necessary evil, like the ciullling of kangaroos.

When Arabs are bombed to gdeath, its not murder, it’s not even killing, its just the process of natural selection.

I really am trying to understand what drives some his supporters.

What is the mystery here Leo? There are 64 UN resolutions against Israel. Could it be that there is something to be considered?

It seems to me that most simply fan the flames of the conflict rather than work constructivly towards a viable solution.

You seem to be on the wrong planet Leo. But the degree to which Israel’s amen corner is able to erase current events and history in general is truly remarkable.

Fanning the flames of the conflict? Are you serious? Israel just smoked half of Lebanon, along with 1000 people (forget what took place in Gaza over the same period of time) and you are accusing Ant’s supporters of fanning the flames of conflict? You yourself recognise that this conflict had nothing to do with 2 IDF soldiers being nabbed, but was the unfolding of a planed long in the making.

Israel’s message is that it demands recognition, and has communicated that this act would pave the way towards a solution. In 1993, the PLO recognised Israel and for hte following 7 years, Israel responded by expanding settlements in the West Bank.

Whether we like ethnically-based states or not, they will be with us for a while yet, depite some of our ideals.

That implies that the notion of ethnically-based states is in itself undesirable,. which in turn questions Israel’s entire existence (in terms of it’s identity). So are you suggesting that Israel’s identity as a Jewish state is a temporary arrangement?