Comments on: Anti-Semitic Rice http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/ Wed, 23 May 2012 14:39:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: The gift that keeps on giving at Antony Loewenstein http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-18399 The gift that keeps on giving at Antony Loewenstein Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:59:46 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-18399 [...] I’m a proud Jew who believes that present-day Israel will cease to exist unless it radically changes its worldview. US support for the Jewish state will not last forever (and some Zionist groups are already concerned about the turning of the tide.) Its future lies in the Middle East amongst the Arab world. After the devastation of the Lebanon war, and Israel’s first military loss in its history, the general public is starting to realise that Israel’s aggressive and arrogant stance is unsustainable (during the recent Lebanon conflict, Roy Morgan polling discovered that a majority of Australians rightly blamed Israel and the US for the escalation.) [...] [...] I’m a proud Jew who believes that present-day Israel will cease to exist unless it radically changes its worldview. US support for the Jewish state will not last forever (and some Zionist groups are already concerned about the turning of the tide.) Its future lies in the Middle East amongst the Arab world. After the devastation of the Lebanon war, and Israel’s first military loss in its history, the general public is starting to realise that Israel’s aggressive and arrogant stance is unsustainable (during the recent Lebanon conflict, Roy Morgan polling discovered that a majority of Australians rightly blamed Israel and the US for the escalation.) [...]

]]> By: Dani http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-16999 Dani Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:30:15 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-16999 To contribute further to my previous comment: During the puritan period in England, Jews who had previously been an exiled peoples were invited back. Particularly significant is the fact they they were encouraged to go the the holy land to fulfill the puritan millenium hopes of the second coming of christ. The puritans took this idea with them to America. The current religious right in America were were extremely angered and upset when Ariel Sharon expelled 8,500 Jewish settlers from 21 settlements in Gaza, handing over Gaza to the Palestinians in Septermber 2005. They saw their aspirations and hopes in the second coming being thwarted. Evidence of this is readily accessed on their websites. To contribute further to my previous comment: During the puritan period in England, Jews who had previously been an exiled peoples were invited back. Particularly significant is the fact they they were encouraged to go the the holy land to fulfill the puritan millenium hopes of the second coming of christ. The puritans took this idea with them to America.

The current religious right in America were were extremely angered and upset when Ariel Sharon expelled 8,500 Jewish settlers from 21 settlements in Gaza, handing over Gaza to the Palestinians in Septermber 2005. They saw their aspirations and hopes in the second coming being thwarted. Evidence of this is readily accessed on their websites.

]]> By: Dani http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-16853 Dani Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:08:48 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-16853 I have heard Jews say that if it means a death of another person, Jewish or Palestinian, or other, that perhaps the idea of a Jewish homeland should not loom so large. I'd be interested in other's comments taking on board what I have stated previously. As for Bush, I don't like his policies at all. As for Israel, I don't know if he really supports an Israeli homeland, but he certainly supports, and has supporters from certain fundamentalist christian groups, for example those believing in creationism. They are less concerned with Israelis, than the fulfillment of the second coming. Bush has departments funding fundamental christian groups. Those in jail who promise to take lessons in christianity and take the christian bible literally, are given special concession and rewards. The source for this information is The Architectue for Modern Political Power by Daniel Pouzzner. The web version of this book is <a href="http://mega.nu/ampp/eden" rel="nofollow">http://mega.nu/ampp/eden</a> and can be download in pdf. I have heard Jews say that if it means a death of another person, Jewish or Palestinian, or other, that perhaps the idea of a Jewish homeland should not loom so large.

I'd be interested in other's comments taking on board what I have stated previously.

As for Bush, I don't like his policies at all. As for Israel, I don't know if he really supports an Israeli homeland, but he certainly supports, and has supporters from certain fundamentalist christian groups, for example those believing in creationism. They are less concerned with Israelis, than the fulfillment of the second coming. Bush has departments funding fundamental christian groups. Those in jail who promise to take lessons in christianity and take the christian bible literally, are given special concession and rewards. The source for this information is The Architectue for Modern Political Power by Daniel Pouzzner. The web version of this book is http://mega.nu/ampp/eden and can be download in pdf.

]]> By: Dani http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-16848 Dani Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:21:36 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-16848 May I speak about the need for a Jewish homeland based on personal experience. My mother was an Australian christian, my father was an Austrian jew. My father perished in Auschwitz and the rest of my father's side died in death camps - over fifty members. The following will explain why. I believe that it is imperative that Jews have a country of their own with a place on the world stage of politics. Refugee Jews from Germany and Austria, such as my father, fleeing Hitler, obtained visas to enter Australia. My father's visa was overturned overnight when Britain entered the war. Even when cancelling my father's visas, the then Australian Minister for the Interior, Stanley Watson, still classified him as a Jewish refugee. My parents were not informed that his visa had been withdrawn. Like many others in the same situation, he was gassed in Auschwitz waiting for his expected entry permit. During the Stalin era and later, when Russian Jews were being persecuted and killed, they too had no status to enter this country or any other non-Communist countries. Fortunately, the Jewish State of Israel was open to them, and thousands survived who wouldn’t have otherwise. No matter how benign a government may appear, in times of war, expediency, or other agendas, no Jew can rely upon another country to take them in. National identity will always supersede Jewish identity. It is imperative that Jews have a homeland, Israel. Like every country, it is imperative that Jews be permitted to protect Israel; by diplomacy if possible, by other means if it fails. Diplomacy can only be effective if the other party has strong leadership, is trustworthy and is a willing participant. May I speak about the need for a Jewish homeland based on personal experience. My mother was an Australian christian, my father was an Austrian jew. My father perished in Auschwitz and the rest of my father's side died in death camps – over fifty members. The following will explain why.

I believe that it is imperative that Jews have a country of their own with a place on the world stage of politics. Refugee Jews from Germany and Austria, such as my father, fleeing Hitler, obtained visas to enter Australia. My father's visa was overturned overnight when Britain entered the war. Even when cancelling my father's visas, the then Australian Minister for the Interior, Stanley Watson, still classified him as a Jewish refugee. My parents were not informed that his visa had been withdrawn. Like many others in the same situation, he was gassed in Auschwitz waiting for his expected entry permit.

During the Stalin era and later, when Russian Jews were being persecuted and killed, they too had no status to enter this country or any other non-Communist countries. Fortunately, the Jewish State of Israel was open to them, and thousands survived who wouldn’t have otherwise.

No matter how benign a government may appear, in times of war, expediency, or other agendas, no Jew can rely upon another country to take them in. National identity will always supersede Jewish identity. It is imperative that Jews have a homeland, Israel. Like every country, it is imperative that Jews be permitted to protect Israel; by diplomacy if possible, by other means if it fails. Diplomacy can only be effective if the other party has strong leadership, is trustworthy and is a willing participant.

]]> By: Don Wigan http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-16726 Don Wigan Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:49:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-16726 Still, perhaps they are onto something. During the Lebanese attacks Rice very pointedly did not complain about the Israeli destruction or even hint that they should desist. This statement surely represents a bit of a turnaround which must be very worrying to ZOA. Unless of course it's a new twist to the good cop-bad cop routine. If it's true, let's hope she hasn't been sidelined. Still, perhaps they are onto something. During the Lebanese attacks Rice very pointedly did not complain about the Israeli destruction or even hint that they should desist.

This statement surely represents a bit of a turnaround which must be very worrying to ZOA. Unless of course it's a new twist to the good cop-bad cop routine.

If it's true, let's hope she hasn't been sidelined.

]]> By: Suze http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-16575 Suze Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:40:52 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-16575 Yeah I would be encouraged by this if it weren't obvious that Rice has been sidelined almost from the get-go within this administration. Yeah I would be encouraged by this if it weren't obvious that Rice has been sidelined almost from the get-go within this administration.

]]> By: Addamo_01 http://antonyloewenstein.com/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/comment-page-1/#comment-16571 Addamo_01 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:56:53 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2006/10/19/anti-semitic-rice/#comment-16571 Extraordinary indeed, but oh so predictable. Here in Canada, a politician got into trouble for daring to describe the bombing by Israel of the apartment building in Qana as a war crime. Never mind that it WAS a war crime. Extraordinary indeed, but oh so predictable. Here in Canada, a politician got into trouble for daring to describe the bombing by Israel of the apartment building in Qana as a war crime.

Never mind that it WAS a war crime.

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