Comments on: Jewish racist nation http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Addamo http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-62732 Addamo Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:54:44 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/12/one-racist-nation-2/#comment-62732 >>> Let us hope that Jews in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are not victimised in return! Absolutely. And let's hope they are not treated in any way like the Palestinian Arabs are in the occupied territories. >>> Let us hope that Jews in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are not victimised in return!

Absolutely. And let's hope they are not treated in any way like the Palestinian Arabs are in the occupied territories.

]]> By: viva peace http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-62650 viva peace Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:47:14 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/12/one-racist-nation-2/#comment-62650 Let us hope that Jews in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are not victimised in return! ROFLMAO. Let us hope that Jews in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are not victimised in return! ROFLMAO.

]]> By: Paul Walter http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-62452 Paul Walter Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:55:03 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/12/one-racist-nation-2/#comment-62452 After watching the ABC 7 30 Report tonight on Sheik Hilali's latest efforts am sure that this nation is not in a position to criticise the problems others have when it is as bad itself. The show was tolerable until the female reporter hysterically but deliberately misrepresented Hilali's comments about women presented as "meat" as meaning he "justified" rape. He was actually making an observation about the commodification of humans in the modernist world. In this case sexualised women and children in western society, as most REAL feminists have been pointing out for decades. But, because the ABC is now a satellite of the Tories, the lackeys are boostering wedge politics, as they did earlier this year over Aborigines, rather than challenging this odious practice as they once did. The thing is, it would be sad if people focussed only on the errors of Israelis. They are unde the same pressure from disinformation factories and wedge-practising politicians as every where else. It comes off a common formula developed by the likes of Murdoch and the US right-wing think-tanks and is employed world wide by local satraps. After watching the ABC 7 30 Report tonight on Sheik Hilali's latest efforts am sure that this nation is not in a position to criticise the problems others have when it is as bad itself.

The show was tolerable until the female reporter hysterically but deliberately misrepresented Hilali's comments about women presented as "meat" as meaning he "justified" rape. He was actually making an observation about the commodification of humans in the modernist world. In this case sexualised women and children in western society, as most REAL feminists have been pointing out for decades.

But, because the ABC is now a satellite of the Tories, the lackeys are boostering wedge politics, as they did earlier this year over Aborigines, rather than challenging this odious practice as they once did.

The thing is, it would be sad if people focussed only on the errors of Israelis.

They are unde the same pressure from disinformation factories and wedge-practising politicians as every where else. It comes off a common formula developed by the likes of Murdoch and the US right-wing think-tanks and is employed world wide by local satraps.

]]> By: vivy http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-62243 vivy Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:53:04 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/12/one-racist-nation-2/#comment-62243 I think that the problem with admitting to mistakes during war time is that the parties consider each other as combatants. Within this context, mistakes are understood as concessions and symbolic gestures such as saying "sorry" are viewed (by both parties) as expression of various degrees of surrender. Saying "sorry" is meaningless when lives are lost in the mistakes. An apology is never enough during war, as it implies that some (if not all) of the deaths could have been avoided. But most importantly, saying sorry in this context, also requires people to consider wether further violence is justifiable. How can a society sustain a mindset of justifying deadly violence, without prejudice? If we asked people to think of each other as equals, then we ask them to admit that the violence is about crude material realities. Not about high ideals and pure religious principles. Just about money, land, food and water. Killing over that alone sounds... well kind of BAD. I think that the problem with admitting to mistakes during war time is that the parties consider each other as combatants. Within this context, mistakes are understood as concessions and symbolic gestures such as saying "sorry" are viewed (by both parties) as expression of various degrees of surrender. Saying "sorry" is meaningless when lives are lost in the mistakes. An apology is never enough during war, as it implies that some (if not all) of the deaths could have been avoided. But most importantly, saying sorry in this context, also requires people to consider wether further violence is justifiable. How can a society sustain a mindset of justifying deadly violence, without prejudice? If we asked people to think of each other as equals, then we ask them to admit that the violence is about crude material realities. Not about high ideals and pure religious principles. Just about money, land, food and water. Killing over that alone sounds… well kind of BAD.

]]> By: Addamo http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-62238 Addamo Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:08:21 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/12/one-racist-nation-2/#comment-62238 When are Israel's supporters going to figure out that accepting Israel's mistakes is a sign of maturity and responsibility and doesn't have to mean a threat to Israel? When are Israel's supporters going to figure out that accepting Israel's mistakes is a sign of maturity and responsibility and doesn't have to mean a threat to Israel?

]]> By: MikeM http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/01/12/jewish-racist-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-62229 MikeM Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:35:12 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/12/one-racist-nation-2/#comment-62229 On a related topic, an editorial in <em>The Economist</em> this week urges: <blockquote><strong>Jews around the world should join the debate about Israel, not just defend whatever it does</strong> ... the big Jewish diaspora institutions have not caught up [with current debate within Israel]. Their relationship with Israel is still based mainly around supporting it in times of crisis and defending it from critics. This is true of the big umbrella groups for Jewish communities, but especially so of the pro-Israel lobby groups in America, formed to influence American foreign policy in Israel's favour. Often these lobbies have ended up representing not Israel but its right-wing political establishment, with American defenders of Israel accusing critics of being “anti-Semitic” for saying things that are commonplace in Israel's own internal debate... Helping Israel should no longer mean defending it uncritically. Israel is strong enough to cope with harsh words from its friends. So diaspora institutions should, for example, feel free to criticise Israeli politicians who preach racism and intolerance, such as a recently appointed cabinet minister, Avigdor Lieberman. They should encourage lively debate about Israeli policies. Perhaps more will then add their voices to those of the millions of Israelis who believe in leaving the occupied territories so that Palestinians can have a state of their own, allowing an Israel at peace to return to its original vocation of providing a safe and democratic haven for the world's Jews.</blockquote> That may be true in the US and Europe, but surely not in Australia? Can it? On a related topic, an editorial in The Economist this week urges:

Jews around the world should join the debate about Israel, not just defend whatever it does

… the big Jewish diaspora institutions have not caught up [with current debate within Israel]. Their relationship with Israel is still based mainly around supporting it in times of crisis and defending it from critics. This is true of the big umbrella groups for Jewish communities, but especially so of the pro-Israel lobby groups in America, formed to influence American foreign policy in Israel's favour. Often these lobbies have ended up representing not Israel but its right-wing political establishment, with American defenders of Israel accusing critics of being “anti-Semitic” for saying things that are commonplace in Israel's own internal debate…

Helping Israel should no longer mean defending it uncritically. Israel is strong enough to cope with harsh words from its friends. So diaspora institutions should, for example, feel free to criticise Israeli politicians who preach racism and intolerance, such as a recently appointed cabinet minister, Avigdor Lieberman. They should encourage lively debate about Israeli policies. Perhaps more will then add their voices to those of the millions of Israelis who believe in leaving the occupied territories so that Palestinians can have a state of their own, allowing an Israel at peace to return to its original vocation of providing a safe and democratic haven for the world's Jews.

That may be true in the US and Europe, but surely not in Australia? Can it?

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