I proved you wrong when we last had this debate Carrie. In fact, I am still quite astounded at your ignorance over the orgins of Hamas and the role played by Israel.

You didn’t prove me wrong at all. You wrongly made the claim that Hamas was created after the 1967 war in this thread http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/05/&hellip…

You even quoted some nebbish Richard Sale who you said pointed out in a piece for UPI:

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

I insisted that Hamas was formed in 1987 so you googled again and found another quote from someone called Robert Dreyfuss but even your own source confirmed that Hamas was founded in 1987 proving what I was saying about Richard Sale i.e. that he was talking out of his backside.

Merely repeating the propaganda does not make it true

Agreed and you are living testament to the truth of this proposition.

not matter what Bush tells you

I’m not on speaking terms with Bush and I don’t know where you got that ridiculous idea from.

Fact is, you have no credibility and neither do your sources.

I stand corrected. English must indeed be your second language. Nothing else would explain your use of an oxymorin like "functional illiteracy".

Evidently. you are so frightened of not being noticed that you are now resorting to spam posting. That youtube link is notable for how unimpressive the effect of the Qassam is. Not even a crack in the pavement, let ale a crater. The only way one of these flying tubes will kill you is if you happen to be unfortunate enough to be hit by one directly.

Keep up the good work BenZ. At least now you're making an effort to stray on topic.

Yes! You are a moron.

Please tell us more about these "pathetic" Qassam rockets as I have just found a video of one captured by a CCTV camera over an Israeli petrol station.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1W_6l_E2k8&mo…
Note the 10,000 litres of gasoline leaving in a tanker seconds beforehand.

I assume you wouldn't bother phoning the police if one landed on your roof, Andre, as well… Like you say: "A half decent hail storm would have done more damage" Right?

Of course Israel should just ignore the hundreds of such rocket attacks which take place. Right Andre?

Speaking of typos,

It seems you can't even spell my name properly. Who's "Abdre"?

Hmm, this is clearly irrefutable evidence of

a) Poor intellect and/or education

b) Total lack of concern for quality.

Unless of course English isn’t your first language (and we know that it is), either of the above two points speak volumes about your fundamental inability to provide intelligent, high-quality commentary.

You would be better off aiming that question at the dozens of people who try contributing to the “debate”

So the answer is, no you either have no intention of contributing to the debate, or lack the capacity/intellectually ability to do so. I appreciate your honesty. It's cruel of me to mock your obvious limitations.

A typo is when your fingers slip. Typos are easily excused.

A fundamental inability to spell however, suggests either:

a) Poor intellect and/or education
b) Total lack of concern for quality.

Unless English isn't your first language (and we know that it is), either of the above two points speak volumes about your fundamental inability to provide intelligent, high-quality commentary.

Do you have any intention of contributing to the debate

You would be better off aiming that question at the dozens of people who try contributing to the "debate" but find themselves censored by Antony instead. There is no "debate" here. Who are you kidding?

I agree Israel's responses are always 'disproportianate.' If Australians had to put up with the crap, the Israelis have had to, we would have flattened the Muslims decades ago.

Do you have any intention of contributing to the debate, or is your raison d'etre to troll here and simply create noise and to raise a fuss every time someone makes a typo? I have repeatedly appealed to you to remain on topic, but you refuse to.

Why is that? Could it be that beneath the copious volumes of hot air, you have nothing to offer after all?

Like most Israeli apologists, you are a one trick pony desperately in need of new talking points.

The sad fat [sic] BenZ, is that in biogs [sic] of this nature, your post is only as good as the links you provide. Ad homens [sic] (90% of your posts) come cheap and count for nothing

A good example of why one shouldn't type when drunk (or stupid).

I assume by "ad homens" you meant ad-hominem?

I note you have no problem referring to people as bigots, racists etc. at every opportunity. Like Antony, you appear able to dish it out but unwilling to receive it.

As for your demand that links be provided for everything, you simply demonstrate your high-school level of analysis. I have no doubt you could find links to support your most bizarre assertions. They are of course frequently worthless. Similarly, when entering a debate, one can usually assume a basic level of knowledge of the topic at hand. In your case however this would be a poor assumption.

I know Antony's writing style consists of plagiarising huge chunks of others' work followed by a one or two-line endorsement. Hardly quality writing. All you are doing Andre is demonstrating how pathetic your intellect is. As if the spelling wasn't evidence enough.

Oh gosh, there I go being all "ad homen" again…

Boasting about your knowledge, while failing repeatedly to demonstrate any evidence of it isn’t going to win you too many arguments.

Nothing wins an argument quicker than deleting comments, right Antony?

By your own admission, Qassams a flying pipes filled with fertilizer. On the rare occasions that they hit anything, the damage they inflict is a result of their inertia. How are you daft enough to compare these with 500lb bombs, or state of the art missiles?

The sad fat BenZ, is that in biogs of this nature, your post is only as good as the links you provide. Ad homens (90% of your posts) come cheap and count for nothing. Boasting about your knowledge, while failing repeatedly to demonstrate any evidence of it isn't going to win you too many arguments.

Quick Andre, duck over to Ha’aretz and find something else to pin on the Jews. It’s easy if you try…

You fail to see the massive irony that an Israeli newspaper is such a rich resource for documenting Israeli malfeasance. Ha’aretz also betrayed their people? Has it ever occurred to you that were there no wrongdoing on Israel' part, there would be nothing to report, or is Ha’aretz complicit in our plot to "drown" you out?

Carrie,

Even Rabin aknowledged Israel's role in the creation of Hamas. According to Dreyfus, during the Oslo process,

…Rabin told Arafat that it was “a fatal error” for the Israelis to have encouraged the growth of Hamas.