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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-176510</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrie, 
 
Don&#039;t worry.  Please try again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie, </p>
<p>Don&#039;t worry.  Please try again. </p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Lewis</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-176441</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really stuffed up those quotation marks didn&#039;t I? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really stuffed up those quotation marks didn&#039;t I? </p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Lewis</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-176438</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then why not tell his readers how many homes and olive groves also existed before and after?&lt;blockquote&gt; 
 
Most likely because the answer to that would contradict his argument. The number of Palestinian homes and olive groves is without any shadow of doubt far higher today than in 1970. 
 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Don&#8217; you mean aid from the West? Surely you can tel the difference between aid and investment?&lt;blockquote&gt; 
 
I mean in every aspect of economic life. The fact that Egypt and Jordan are at peace with Israel makes a great deal of difference to their respective economies and enhances their ability to increase GNP. 
 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;This one takes the cake. Since Hamas came to power Israel and the West have made it obvious that their intent was to starve the Palestinians for voting for the wring party. Israel illegally withholds 50 million from the PA and you are blaming hams for not doing better?&lt;blockquote&gt;  
 
It does take the cake and as usual you haven&#8217;t responded to what wrote but rather, went off on a frolic of your own. I&#039;m blaming Hamas for smuggling in weapons, inciting hatred and teaching their kids to want to become martyrs, burning down churches, closing cinemas, throwing opponents off tall buildings and doing nothing to improve the economy they were elected to develop. That&#039;s why GDP is in freefall in Gaza today. 
 
Surely you can tell the difference between aid and investment? If you could, you would know that nobody is trying to starve Palestinians and, in fact, foreign aid to them has increased since Hamas was elected.  
 
Why should Israel give money to a government that refuses to recognise previous agreements, wants to annihilate it and has a policy of genocide towards Jews. These are things about which Jews won&#8217;t remain silent even if you will.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then why not tell his readers how many homes and olive groves also existed before and after?<br />
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<p>Most likely because the answer to that would contradict his argument. The number of Palestinian homes and olive groves is without any shadow of doubt far higher today than in 1970.</p>
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<p>Don&rsquo; you mean aid from the West? Surely you can tel the difference between aid and investment?<br />
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<p>I mean in every aspect of economic life. The fact that Egypt and Jordan are at peace with Israel makes a great deal of difference to their respective economies and enhances their ability to increase GNP.</p>
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<p>This one takes the cake. Since Hamas came to power Israel and the West have made it obvious that their intent was to starve the Palestinians for voting for the wring party. Israel illegally withholds 50 million from the PA and you are blaming hams for not doing better?<br />
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<p>It does take the cake and as usual you haven&rsquo;t responded to what wrote but rather, went off on a frolic of your own. I&#039;m blaming Hamas for smuggling in weapons, inciting hatred and teaching their kids to want to become martyrs, burning down churches, closing cinemas, throwing opponents off tall buildings and doing nothing to improve the economy they were elected to develop. That&#039;s why GDP is in freefall in Gaza today.</p>
<p>Surely you can tell the difference between aid and investment? If you could, you would know that nobody is trying to starve Palestinians and, in fact, foreign aid to them has increased since Hamas was elected. </p>
<p>Why should Israel give money to a government that refuses to recognise previous agreements, wants to annihilate it and has a policy of genocide towards Jews. These are things about which Jews won&rsquo;t remain silent even if you will.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-175123</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#8217;m not justifying occupation but if he&#8217;s undertaking this exercise, why not tell his readers how many universities, schools and hospitals there were in the West Bank and Gaza before and after.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Then why not tell his readers how many homes and olive groves also existed before and after? 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt; 
Further, by 1995 both Egypt and Jordan had made peace with Israel - a fact that has reaped enormous benefit to their economies. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Don&#039; you mean aid from the West?  Surely you can tel the difference between aid and investment? 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Where are the economic initiatives undertaken by Hamas since Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005? Did Hamas do a thing for the 50,000 Gazans who lost their jobs as a result?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
This one takes the cake.  Since Hamas came to power, Israel and the West have made it obvious that their intent was to starve the Palestinians for voting for the wring party. Israel illegally withholds 50 million from the PA and you are blaming hams for not doing  
better? 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Go ahead and explain how, in economic terms you can increase your GNP while waging asymmetric warfare against neighbouring civilian populations?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Good question.  You can&#039;t, unless you are receiving massive amounts of aid from say, the US, like Israel does to the tune of more than 3 billion a year, including loans that they are not required to repay.  Go ahead and explain in economic terms you can increase your GNP, while check points make it impossible to export produce out of the country and prevent resident getting to their place of employment or tending to their orchards? 
 
I am not scoffing at the view of your Palestinian friends, but the proof is pretty irrefutable.  the Majority of Palestinians apparently disagree with your friends, or they would not have elected Hamas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&rsquo;m not justifying occupation but if he&rsquo;s undertaking this exercise, why not tell his readers how many universities, schools and hospitals there were in the West Bank and Gaza before and after.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then why not tell his readers how many homes and olive groves also existed before and after? </p>
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Further, by 1995 both Egypt and Jordan had made peace with Israel &#8211; a fact that has reaped enormous benefit to their economies. </p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#039; you mean aid from the West?  Surely you can tel the difference between aid and investment? </p>
<blockquote><p>Where are the economic initiatives undertaken by Hamas since Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005? Did Hamas do a thing for the 50,000 Gazans who lost their jobs as a result?</p></blockquote>
<p>This one takes the cake.  Since Hamas came to power, Israel and the West have made it obvious that their intent was to starve the Palestinians for voting for the wring party. Israel illegally withholds 50 million from the PA and you are blaming hams for not doing<br />
better? </p>
<blockquote><p>Go ahead and explain how, in economic terms you can increase your GNP while waging asymmetric warfare against neighbouring civilian populations?</p></blockquote>
<p>Good question.  You can&#039;t, unless you are receiving massive amounts of aid from say, the US, like Israel does to the tune of more than 3 billion a year, including loans that they are not required to repay.  Go ahead and explain in economic terms you can increase your GNP, while check points make it impossible to export produce out of the country and prevent resident getting to their place of employment or tending to their orchards? </p>
<p>I am not scoffing at the view of your Palestinian friends, but the proof is pretty irrefutable.  the Majority of Palestinians apparently disagree with your friends, or they would not have elected Hamas. </p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Lewis</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-174933</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this piece and was unimpressed (and not just the headline which like many others around here like Jews who Hate I find offensive). It reminded me of the old line about damned lies and statistics. Mr. Shtrasler compares figures from 1970 with today. He&#039;s very selective with his figures and uses the wrong dates for his benchmarks.  
 
I&#039;m not justifying occupation but if he&#039;s undertaking this exercise, why not tell his readers how many universities, schools and hospitals there were in the West Bank and Gaza before and after. Why not reveal the life expectancy and infant mortality figures?  
 
And why use today as a benchmark? Surely, the best benchmark figure for GNP should be 1995 by which time all of Gaza and the great bulk of major Palestinian towns had been transferred to the PA? Further, by 1995 both Egypt and Jordan had made peace with Israel - a fact that has reaped enormous benefit to their economies. Unfortunately for the Palestinian people, the economic expertise of the PA under both Fatah and Hamas administrations has been, let us say, underwhelming. Where are the economic initiatives undertaken by Hamas since Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005? Did Hamas do a thing for the 50,000 Gazans who lost their jobs as a result? 
 
Oh, you&#039;ll say, blame it on the occupiers. Go ahead and explain how, in economic terms you can increase your GNP while waging asymmetric warfare against neighbouring civilian populations? It doesn&#039;t happen that way and you can scoff at the views of my Palestinian friends but if you deigned to talk to the real human beings over there, they would tell you that under PA rule, infrastructure in their cities, health services etc went backwards as they would when your administration is preoccupied with other things. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this piece and was unimpressed (and not just the headline which like many others around here like Jews who Hate I find offensive). It reminded me of the old line about damned lies and statistics. Mr. Shtrasler compares figures from 1970 with today. He&#039;s very selective with his figures and uses the wrong dates for his benchmarks. </p>
<p>I&#039;m not justifying occupation but if he&#039;s undertaking this exercise, why not tell his readers how many universities, schools and hospitals there were in the West Bank and Gaza before and after. Why not reveal the life expectancy and infant mortality figures? </p>
<p>And why use today as a benchmark? Surely, the best benchmark figure for GNP should be 1995 by which time all of Gaza and the great bulk of major Palestinian towns had been transferred to the PA? Further, by 1995 both Egypt and Jordan had made peace with Israel &#8211; a fact that has reaped enormous benefit to their economies. Unfortunately for the Palestinian people, the economic expertise of the PA under both Fatah and Hamas administrations has been, let us say, underwhelming. Where are the economic initiatives undertaken by Hamas since Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005? Did Hamas do a thing for the 50,000 Gazans who lost their jobs as a result?</p>
<p>Oh, you&#039;ll say, blame it on the occupiers. Go ahead and explain how, in economic terms you can increase your GNP while waging asymmetric warfare against neighbouring civilian populations? It doesn&#039;t happen that way and you can scoff at the views of my Palestinian friends but if you deigned to talk to the real human beings over there, they would tell you that under PA rule, infrastructure in their cities, health services etc went backwards as they would when your administration is preoccupied with other things. </p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the US wanted the Iraqis to pay after they had been bombed to bits. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the US wanted the Iraqis to pay after they had been bombed to bits. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>viva&#039;s loyalty to the cause is admirable. 
 
Unforuntately, the facts are that Israel has made a profit from its&#039; occupation of the WB and GS, ie. Palestinians have paid for the privilege of occupation.  
 
Quite a scam.  I guess that makes the Palestinians unwilling &#039;sugar-daddies&#039;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>viva&#039;s loyalty to the cause is admirable.</p>
<p>Unforuntately, the facts are that Israel has made a profit from its&#039; occupation of the WB and GS, ie. Palestinians have paid for the privilege of occupation. </p>
<p>Quite a scam.  I guess that makes the Palestinians unwilling &#039;sugar-daddies&#039;. </p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-172861</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get real Viva, 
 
Were it not for America&#039;s largess, Israel would be a third world country. 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The jews should have learnt. Never negotiate.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Which is only made feasible when you receive 2-3 billion in aid from the US. 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Palestinians are the only &#8220;people&#8221; ever born as perpetual dole-bludgers.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Israel are have received the worlds biggest dole cheques for the longest time, so it would appear you are wrong...again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get real Viva, </p>
<p>Were it not for America&#039;s largess, Israel would be a third world country. </p>
<blockquote><p>The jews should have learnt. Never negotiate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is only made feasible when you receive 2-3 billion in aid from the US. </p>
<blockquote><p>The Palestinians are the only &ldquo;people&rdquo; ever born as perpetual dole-bludgers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Israel are have received the worlds biggest dole cheques for the longest time, so it would appear you are wrong&#8230;again. </p>
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		<title>By: viva peace</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-172847</link>
		<dc:creator>viva peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marilyn 
 
The Palestinians are the only &quot;people&quot; ever born as perpetual dole-bludgers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilyn</p>
<p>The Palestinians are the only &quot;people&quot; ever born as perpetual dole-bludgers. </p>
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		<title>By: viva peace</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2007/06/19/and-yet-most-jews-remain-silent/comment-page-1/#comment-172841</link>
		<dc:creator>viva peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest mistake the Jews ever made was letting themselves be pushed around by the Americans from the 1970s onwards. As we now see in Iraq, the Americans have never had a clue about the Arab and Muslim worlds. 
 
The jews should have learnt. Never negotiate. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest mistake the Jews ever made was letting themselves be pushed around by the Americans from the 1970s onwards. As we now see in Iraq, the Americans have never had a clue about the Arab and Muslim worlds.</p>
<p>The jews should have learnt. Never negotiate. </p>
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