<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: How to dismantle Zionism in a few easy steps</title>
	<atom:link href="http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:39:10 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Australian Academic Boycott of Israel: Global BDS Day 30 March 2009 &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-506079</link>
		<dc:creator>Australian Academic Boycott of Israel: Global BDS Day 30 March 2009 &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-506079</guid>
		<description>[...] The following statement is released by Ned Curthoys and John Docker of the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The following statement is released by Ned Curthoys and John Docker of the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism: [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David King</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-499529</link>
		<dc:creator>David King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-499529</guid>
		<description>Hi Antony, 
 
In my opinion, your assessment is wrong. 
 
Just the other night I was listening to Norman Finkelstein present a talk at  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&amp;ar=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&amp;am...&lt;/a&gt; 2061 
 
&quot;The Israel-Palestine Conflict: What we can learn from Gandhi&quot; 
 
I have a high level of respect for Norman, with whom I am sure you would hold many of the same beliefs. 
 
Sad to say that I also found myself disagreeing with the thoughts Norman expressed in this video; which concluded with a two state solution and a normalisation of relations between Palestinians and israelis and the continued existence of the zionist movement. 
 
The stumbling block I see; and which I am very sure many Palestinians will feel; is that peace can only be built on a foundation of justice. 
 
If we look at what zionism is; and I am not talking about how israeli propaganda defines zionism but how zionism defines itself through its actions; from Ben-Gurions days to present; it is zionism that must bear the price of the deliverance of justice.  In essence, this would be holding its leaders responsible for war crimes and delivering a judgment of capital punishment. 
 
It was the zionist movement that was responsible for the creation of Jewish terrorist groups and the genocide of Palestinian people.  It was their battle hardened army that swept through Palestine killing unarmed and untrained farmers and their families; stealing their land, their homes and their future. 
 
You may have heard of the term: scales of justice.  It indicates the bleeding obvious; that your punishment should be weighed against your misdeed.  If you commit a minor trafic infringement, you punishment should also be minor.  If you torture someone and then bludgeon them to death with a steel bar, then your punishment should be sufficient as to be balanced against the crime.  
 
The zionist movement is a criminal organisation that has over the last 60 years committed the most heinous crimes.  Justice - and I am not talking about the law system now; but humanity - dictates that the strongest possible action be taken against zionism. 
 
If a thief breaks into your home and steals the contents of your safe; taking the proceeds to buy a car; that thief if caught will not be allowed to continue ownership of the car. 
 
I can&#039;t see a possibility of a successful two state solution; nor an iota of a chance for the continuation of the zionist movement: and further, I can foretell israel&#039;s existence to be limited to a history book.  These are not threats but come from an understanding of the dynamics of the situation.  Peace will not be achieved until these things come to pass. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Antony, </p>
<p>In my opinion, your assessment is wrong. </p>
<p>Just the other night I was listening to Norman Finkelstein present a talk at<br />
  <a href="http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&amp;ar=" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11_amp_ar=&amp;referer=');">http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&#038;am&#8230;</a> 2061 </p>
<p>&quot;The Israel-Palestine Conflict: What we can learn from Gandhi&quot; </p>
<p>I have a high level of respect for Norman, with whom I am sure you would hold many of the same beliefs. </p>
<p>Sad to say that I also found myself disagreeing with the thoughts Norman expressed in this video; which concluded with a two state solution and a normalisation of relations between Palestinians and israelis and the continued existence of the zionist movement. </p>
<p>The stumbling block I see; and which I am very sure many Palestinians will feel; is that peace can only be built on a foundation of justice. </p>
<p>If we look at what zionism is; and I am not talking about how israeli propaganda defines zionism but how zionism defines itself through its actions; from Ben-Gurions days to present; it is zionism that must bear the price of the deliverance of justice.  In essence, this would be holding its leaders responsible for war crimes and delivering a judgment of capital punishment. </p>
<p>It was the zionist movement that was responsible for the creation of Jewish terrorist groups and the genocide of Palestinian people.  It was their battle hardened army that swept through Palestine killing unarmed and untrained farmers and their families; stealing their land, their homes and their future. </p>
<p>You may have heard of the term: scales of justice.  It indicates the bleeding obvious; that your punishment should be weighed against your misdeed.  If you commit a minor trafic infringement, you punishment should also be minor.  If you torture someone and then bludgeon them to death with a steel bar, then your punishment should be sufficient as to be balanced against the crime.  </p>
<p>The zionist movement is a criminal organisation that has over the last 60 years committed the most heinous crimes.  Justice &#8211; and I am not talking about the law system now; but humanity &#8211; dictates that the strongest possible action be taken against zionism. </p>
<p>If a thief breaks into your home and steals the contents of your safe; taking the proceeds to buy a car; that thief if caught will not be allowed to continue ownership of the car. </p>
<p>I can&#039;t see a possibility of a successful two state solution; nor an iota of a chance for the continuation of the zionist movement: and further, I can foretell israel&#039;s existence to be limited to a history book.  These are not threats but come from an understanding of the dynamics of the situation.  Peace will not be achieved until these things come to pass.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Daniel Sebel</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-498520</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-498520</guid>
		<description>Surely, the Zionists were granted control over their part of the land of Palestine on condition they would respect the rights of the original inhabitants. 
Surely, the state of Israel, through its massive inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people over the years (of which the Gaza massacre is the latest example), has broken that trust. 
Surely, therefore, the Zionists no longer deserve to exclusively occupy the land. 
Surely, the state of Israel should be dissolved and greater Palestine (Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip) be turned into a single and secular multi-racial state with equal rights for Palestinians and Zionists. 
 
Also, we should question the very legitimacy of a twenty-first century sectarian state. When virtually every other advanced country is learning to become secular and multi-racial, silly little Israel clings to the anachronistic idea of being a single religious / racial state. 
 
Olmert&#039;s idea for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders is a totally inadequate compromise. The state of Israel should be dissolved. What the international community gave, it should now take away. 
 
Even allowing the Zionists to stay on the land is more than they deserve. 
 
It&#8217;s interesting to speculate on how much trouble could have been avoided if the Palestinian people were given the respect they were due as the original inhabitants of the land. Would Islamic terrorism even have emerged? Just as the Israelis learned of genocide from the Nazis and apartheid from the white South Africans, the Palestinians learned of terrorism from the Stern Gang. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, the Zionists were granted control over their part of the land of Palestine on condition they would respect the rights of the original inhabitants.<br />
Surely, the state of Israel, through its massive inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people over the years (of which the Gaza massacre is the latest example), has broken that trust.<br />
Surely, therefore, the Zionists no longer deserve to exclusively occupy the land.<br />
Surely, the state of Israel should be dissolved and greater Palestine (Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip) be turned into a single and secular multi-racial state with equal rights for Palestinians and Zionists. </p>
<p>Also, we should question the very legitimacy of a twenty-first century sectarian state. When virtually every other advanced country is learning to become secular and multi-racial, silly little Israel clings to the anachronistic idea of being a single religious / racial state. </p>
<p>Olmert&#039;s idea for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders is a totally inadequate compromise. The state of Israel should be dissolved. What the international community gave, it should now take away. </p>
<p>Even allowing the Zionists to stay on the land is more than they deserve. </p>
<p>It&rsquo;s interesting to speculate on how much trouble could have been avoided if the Palestinian people were given the respect they were due as the original inhabitants of the land. Would Islamic terrorism even have emerged? Just as the Israelis learned of genocide from the Nazis and apartheid from the white South Africans, the Palestinians learned of terrorism from the Stern Gang.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Why a debate over Zionism has to happen &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-498548</link>
		<dc:creator>Why a debate over Zionism has to happen &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-498548</guid>
		<description>[...] had no personal involvement in the statement but I support an important debate over the future of Zionism and its detrimental [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had no personal involvement in the statement but I support an important debate over the future of Zionism and its detrimental [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Be uncritical or shut up &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-496830</link>
		<dc:creator>Be uncritical or shut up &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-496830</guid>
		<description>[...] we&#8217;ve seen yet again this week in the Australian Jewish News - two local Jews dare argue that Zionism should be dismantled due to its racist intent and the paper writes, in both a front page story and editorial, that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we&#8217;ve seen yet again this week in the Australian Jewish News &#8211; two local Jews dare argue that Zionism should be dismantled due to its racist intent and the paper writes, in both a front page story and editorial, that the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bernard Rooney</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-494871</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Rooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-494871</guid>
		<description>We are not a Christian state, we are a secular state, and want to remain that way thank you very much!

We are talking here about some fundamental and important values:

- freedom of creed, and of religious belief
- separation of church and state
- non-discrimination on the basis of creed or religion

These are hard-won and essential freedoms we should fight to protect. Zionists and Jewish people generally have really lost their way if they think we should return to some sort of pre-Enlightenment semi-theocratic state.

That type of thing and the injustice and discrimination against minorities is what led to the Ghetto and Zionism in the first place!

Please, let&#039;s draw a line against this, and against colonialism, settlers and the racism and injustice against indigenous people inherent in these projects.

Zionism is a kind of &quot;10th (and last) Crusade&quot; - the invasion and colonisation of the &quot;third world&quot; by the rising White power in Europe. The First and Tenth crusades thus effectively bookend 1000 years of White power. 

The Jewish crusade will likely suffer the same fate as the earlier crusader states and with the relative decline of Europe and North America it is certainly the last and in some ways the most tragic of the White European colonies.

Its an important initiative for Jewish people themselves to repudiate the backward, racist ideology of Zionism. This 19th Century concoction of high imperialism and European white supremacist racism is an embarrassment and a disgrace both for the Enlightened west and also the progressive Jewish community.

Zionism is a kind of internalised anti-semitism. It goes something like this: &quot;We Jews, we&#039;re a different race (no your not), we cant live with other people (yes you can), we have to live in some ghetto (no you dont) or maybe best a Jewish State (that&#039;s the worst idea of all!). 

Meantime the so-called &quot;Christian Zionists&quot; and other &quot;supporters&quot; of Israel have a naked agenda of getting rid of their Jews into a kind of giant ghetto (Israel) where they might be conveniently wiped out by &quot;God&quot;. 

How ugly and absurd does it all have to get before its repudiated?

Personally I still favour the two-state solution. If the US and Israel back it, it could happen overnight and more or less resolve the main conflict. 

If Israel and the US continue to reject the Palestinian state, then the &quot;Jewish State&quot; of Israel is probably doomed, after many years of further chaos and suffering. 

The West had better stand ready to receive a number of Jewish refugees when it finally collapses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not a Christian state, we are a secular state, and want to remain that way thank you very much!</p>
<p>We are talking here about some fundamental and important values:</p>
<p>- freedom of creed, and of religious belief<br />
- separation of church and state<br />
- non-discrimination on the basis of creed or religion</p>
<p>These are hard-won and essential freedoms we should fight to protect. Zionists and Jewish people generally have really lost their way if they think we should return to some sort of pre-Enlightenment semi-theocratic state.</p>
<p>That type of thing and the injustice and discrimination against minorities is what led to the Ghetto and Zionism in the first place!</p>
<p>Please, let&#8217;s draw a line against this, and against colonialism, settlers and the racism and injustice against indigenous people inherent in these projects.</p>
<p>Zionism is a kind of &#8220;10th (and last) Crusade&#8221; &#8211; the invasion and colonisation of the &#8220;third world&#8221; by the rising White power in Europe. The First and Tenth crusades thus effectively bookend 1000 years of White power. </p>
<p>The Jewish crusade will likely suffer the same fate as the earlier crusader states and with the relative decline of Europe and North America it is certainly the last and in some ways the most tragic of the White European colonies.</p>
<p>Its an important initiative for Jewish people themselves to repudiate the backward, racist ideology of Zionism. This 19th Century concoction of high imperialism and European white supremacist racism is an embarrassment and a disgrace both for the Enlightened west and also the progressive Jewish community.</p>
<p>Zionism is a kind of internalised anti-semitism. It goes something like this: &#8220;We Jews, we&#8217;re a different race (no your not), we cant live with other people (yes you can), we have to live in some ghetto (no you dont) or maybe best a Jewish State (that&#8217;s the worst idea of all!). </p>
<p>Meantime the so-called &#8220;Christian Zionists&#8221; and other &#8220;supporters&#8221; of Israel have a naked agenda of getting rid of their Jews into a kind of giant ghetto (Israel) where they might be conveniently wiped out by &#8220;God&#8221;. </p>
<p>How ugly and absurd does it all have to get before its repudiated?</p>
<p>Personally I still favour the two-state solution. If the US and Israel back it, it could happen overnight and more or less resolve the main conflict. </p>
<p>If Israel and the US continue to reject the Palestinian state, then the &#8220;Jewish State&#8221; of Israel is probably doomed, after many years of further chaos and suffering. </p>
<p>The West had better stand ready to receive a number of Jewish refugees when it finally collapses.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: catchakiki</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-494863</link>
		<dc:creator>catchakiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-494863</guid>
		<description>While as a liberal Australian Jewish person also disgusted by Israel&#039;s behaviour I agree with aspects of the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism&#039;s aims, I am appalled at the vehement disregard they are expressing for Israel&#039;s own right to exist, particularly:
&quot;the very idea of a Jewish state is absurd, unjust, and ultimately untenable&quot;.  Are we not living in a so-called Christian state here in Australia?  Are there not happy communities of Jewish people living in the Muslim state of Iran?  There are plenty of religious states all over the world and I don&#039;t see how a Jewish one is any less deserving of a supported existence.

And whilst I understand that Israel has been blocking essential entry into Gaza and leaving thousands of people without basic support such as food and medical aid, I do not believe that &quot;support(ing) the cultural and economic boycott of Israel&quot; is an appropriate response, particularly in regards to culturally.  

Feeling impassioned as I&#039;m sure the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism is also, I could go on but I won&#039;t.  I simply feel it important for people to see that it is extremism that has put Israel and Palestine in this position, and I don&#039;t believe extremism is the solution of getting them out of it, although it is certainly up to the rest of the world to take objective control of the situation for a just solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While as a liberal Australian Jewish person also disgusted by Israel&#8217;s behaviour I agree with aspects of the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism&#8217;s aims, I am appalled at the vehement disregard they are expressing for Israel&#8217;s own right to exist, particularly:<br />
&#8220;the very idea of a Jewish state is absurd, unjust, and ultimately untenable&#8221;.  Are we not living in a so-called Christian state here in Australia?  Are there not happy communities of Jewish people living in the Muslim state of Iran?  There are plenty of religious states all over the world and I don&#8217;t see how a Jewish one is any less deserving of a supported existence.</p>
<p>And whilst I understand that Israel has been blocking essential entry into Gaza and leaving thousands of people without basic support such as food and medical aid, I do not believe that &#8220;support(ing) the cultural and economic boycott of Israel&#8221; is an appropriate response, particularly in regards to culturally.  </p>
<p>Feeling impassioned as I&#8217;m sure the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism is also, I could go on but I won&#8217;t.  I simply feel it important for people to see that it is extremism that has put Israel and Palestine in this position, and I don&#8217;t believe extremism is the solution of getting them out of it, although it is certainly up to the rest of the world to take objective control of the situation for a just solution.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: J’Accuse: open letter to Kevin Rudd Prime Minister of Australia &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-494855</link>
		<dc:creator>J’Accuse: open letter to Kevin Rudd Prime Minister of Australia &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-494855</guid>
		<description>[...] The following statement is released today by the recently-formed Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The following statement is released today by the recently-formed Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism: [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Australian Jews slam Gaza invasion as ‘abominable’ &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/05/how-to-dismantle-zionism-in-a-few-easy-steps/comment-page-1/#comment-493038</link>
		<dc:creator>Australian Jews slam Gaza invasion as ‘abominable’ &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://antonyloewenstein.com/?p=7698#comment-493038</guid>
		<description>[...] In a related development, two Australian academics of Jewish descent have launched the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In a related development, two Australian academics of Jewish descent have launched the Committee for the Dismantling of Zionism. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Page Caching using disk: enhanced
Database Caching using apc
Content Delivery Network via Amazon Web Services: CloudFront: cdn.antonyloewenstein.com

Served from: antonyloewenstein.com @ 2012-02-14 02:07:11 -->
