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		<title>By: Ekk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ekk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx Antoun, 
That&#039;s an insightful take in the situation. 
Saw several bits of info on the web today which support your thinking. 
Ekk 
  
Here is one:   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
 
Hamas Support Grows in West Bank 
January 9, 2009 &#124; From theTrumpet.com 
Is Hamas about to gain control of the West Bank? 
  
 
The current Israeli counteroffensive against Gaza is stirring support for Hamas in the Fatah-controlled West Bank. Fatah-backed security forces have already had to break up large pro-Hamas rallies in both Hebron and Ramallah&#8212;using tear gas against their own people for the first time in Palestinian history. Such heavy-handed crowd-control techniques, however, have only served to intensify resentment against Fatah.  
[...] 
 In addition to growing dissent among the masses against the Fatah-backed government, an increasing number of Fatah leaders have broken ranks and given their support to Hamas. 
 
&#8220;Fatah and its men are an integral part of this battle and in confronting the aggression,&#8221; said imprisoned Fatah official Marwan Barghouti in a message from the Israeli prison where he is serving five life terms for murder. &#8220;The Israeli aggression is directed against all the Palestinians and their cause. This is the time to join forces in combating the Israeli occupation.&#8221; 
 
Sources close to Hamas claim that dozens of members from Fatah&#8217;s armed wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, have already broken ranks with Abbas and joined Hamas&#8217;s fight against Israel. Five of these radical militants have already been wounded while fighting Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip. Other Islamic militant groups known to be aiding Hamas include Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees and the Popular Front for Palestinian liberation.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx Antoun,<br />
That&#039;s an insightful take in the situation.<br />
Saw several bits of info on the web today which support your thinking.<br />
Ekk </p>
<p>Here is one:   <a href="http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0.0" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0.0&amp;referer=');"></a><a href="http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0&amp;referer=');">http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5842.4202.0</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Hamas Support Grows in West Bank<br />
January 9, 2009 | From theTrumpet.com<br />
Is Hamas about to gain control of the West Bank? </p>
<p>The current Israeli counteroffensive against Gaza is stirring support for Hamas in the Fatah-controlled West Bank. Fatah-backed security forces have already had to break up large pro-Hamas rallies in both Hebron and Ramallah&mdash;using tear gas against their own people for the first time in Palestinian history. Such heavy-handed crowd-control techniques, however, have only served to intensify resentment against Fatah.<br />
[...]<br />
 In addition to growing dissent among the masses against the Fatah-backed government, an increasing number of Fatah leaders have broken ranks and given their support to Hamas. </p>
<p>&ldquo;Fatah and its men are an integral part of this battle and in confronting the aggression,&rdquo; said imprisoned Fatah official Marwan Barghouti in a message from the Israeli prison where he is serving five life terms for murder. &ldquo;The Israeli aggression is directed against all the Palestinians and their cause. This is the time to join forces in combating the Israeli occupation.&rdquo; </p>
<p>Sources close to Hamas claim that dozens of members from Fatah&rsquo;s armed wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, have already broken ranks with Abbas and joined Hamas&rsquo;s fight against Israel. Five of these radical militants have already been wounded while fighting Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip. Other Islamic militant groups known to be aiding Hamas include Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees and the Popular Front for Palestinian liberation.<br />
[...] </p>
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		<title>By: Antoun Issa</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/2009/01/09/propaganda-for-the-converted/comment-page-1/#comment-493484</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoun Issa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ekk, 
 
I don&#039;t expect Hamas to agree to having international monitors in Gaza. Syria and Iran are indeed pushing Hamas to reject this. 
 
The UN resolution is symbolic, but doesn&#039;t really lay the ground work for concrete steps. The Syrians and Iranians won&#039;t allow Hamas to be contained by a joint EU-Egyptian-Israeli-Fatah taskforce. On the other side of the coin, the Israelis can&#039;t leave without achieving something, otherwise they&#039;d be humiliated as in 2006. At least in 2006, they achieved the deployment of a multi-national force and the Lebanese Army to South Lebanon. 
 
So I expect the conflict to continue until someone backs down. At the moment, neither Egypt, Israel, Hamas, Syria or Iran are showing any signs of compromising. 
 
Fatah is hoping Hamas will accept the Egypt-Franco cease-fire, which would see it regain some presence in Gaza. That&#039;s all Fatah can really do. I doubt it will succeed. 
 
A similar scenario was played out in Lebanon. The pro-American axis backed a few factions in order to counter, and diminish Hezbollah&#039;s power. It backfired, and Hezbollah is favourite to win majority in this year&#039;s elections. The West, Israel and the Arab puppets shouldn&#039;t underestimate popular sentiments. This war has only increased Hamas&#039; popularity, not just among Gazans, but among Israeli-Palestinians and in the West Bank. 
 
Fatah&#039;s attempts to &quot;crackdown&quot; on protesters in the WB will only bolster Hamas&#039; popularity. 
 
It all depends on what deal the regional powers will come up with. The Syrians/Iranians are pushing for international recognition of Hamas, whilst Egypt/KSA/US/Israel/EU are aiming to contain Hamas and empower Fatah. 
 
We&#039;ll find out in the next few days who wins the diplomatic tussle, but for the moment the tanks are still rolling. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ekk, </p>
<p>I don&#039;t expect Hamas to agree to having international monitors in Gaza. Syria and Iran are indeed pushing Hamas to reject this. </p>
<p>The UN resolution is symbolic, but doesn&#039;t really lay the ground work for concrete steps. The Syrians and Iranians won&#039;t allow Hamas to be contained by a joint EU-Egyptian-Israeli-Fatah taskforce. On the other side of the coin, the Israelis can&#039;t leave without achieving something, otherwise they&#039;d be humiliated as in 2006. At least in 2006, they achieved the deployment of a multi-national force and the Lebanese Army to South Lebanon. </p>
<p>So I expect the conflict to continue until someone backs down. At the moment, neither Egypt, Israel, Hamas, Syria or Iran are showing any signs of compromising. </p>
<p>Fatah is hoping Hamas will accept the Egypt-Franco cease-fire, which would see it regain some presence in Gaza. That&#039;s all Fatah can really do. I doubt it will succeed. </p>
<p>A similar scenario was played out in Lebanon. The pro-American axis backed a few factions in order to counter, and diminish Hezbollah&#039;s power. It backfired, and Hezbollah is favourite to win majority in this year&#039;s elections. The West, Israel and the Arab puppets shouldn&#039;t underestimate popular sentiments. This war has only increased Hamas&#039; popularity, not just among Gazans, but among Israeli-Palestinians and in the West Bank. </p>
<p>Fatah&#039;s attempts to &quot;crackdown&quot; on protesters in the WB will only bolster Hamas&#039; popularity. </p>
<p>It all depends on what deal the regional powers will come up with. The Syrians/Iranians are pushing for international recognition of Hamas, whilst Egypt/KSA/US/Israel/EU are aiming to contain Hamas and empower Fatah. </p>
<p>We&#039;ll find out in the next few days who wins the diplomatic tussle, but for the moment the tanks are still rolling. </p>
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		<title>By: Ekk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ekk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Antony, 
Somewhat off topic, but you/anyone have some thoughts/info on this? 
All seems pretty precipitous/portent moment, what with UN Gaza Conflict draft resolution, change of presidency in the US  &amp; upcoming elections in Israel ... 
Just thought the Irish Times writer may be onto something here? 
Ekk      
 
 
Friday, January 9, 2009 
Fatah fears protests at Gaza assault will destroy security gains in West Bank  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0109/1231454443374.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/01...&lt;/a&gt; 
Fatah fears protests at Gaza assault will destroy security gains in West Bank 
 
With Mahmoud Abbas&#039;s term as president officially ending today, Michael Jansen , in the West Bank, examines the relationship between the two Palestinian factions 
 
DOCTORS IN white coats gathered at Manara Square at the heart of the West Bank&#039;s administrative capital to protest Israel&#039;s onslaught on Gaza while students brandishing placards chanted anti-Israel slogans at Bir Zeit university and lowered the Palestinian flag to half-mast. 
 
The demonstrations were heartfelt but without the usual fire and vigour. The Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority (PA) has cracked down hard on protesters storming Israeli checkpoints and barricades. 
 
Ghassan Khatib, former PA minister of labour and planning, said that the PA did not want violence to destroy the security gains made over the past two years when the police force was rebuilt and armed factions were brought under control. 
 
However, the crackdown on expressions of popular feeling exposed the weakness of the PA headed by president Mahmoud Abbas and his secular Fatah movement. 
 
&quot;This is the first war not led by Fatah,&quot; said Khatib. &quot;This war is being led and fought by somebody else, marginalising Fatah.&quot; 
 
Hamas is in command and challenging Israel on the field of battle. For them &quot;it is a win-win situation&quot;, said Khatib. &quot;The losers are the civilians in Gaza, the PA, Egypt and the &#039;moderate&#039; camp in the region. The objectives of Israel and Hamas are not mutually exclusive. Israel wants to stop the rockets and the smuggling of weapons into Gaza and to get rid of Gaza by making it an Egyptian protectorate. 
 
&quot;Hamas wants to stop the offensive, survive, maintain its poten- tial power . . . and assert itself as the main party for war or peace. 
 
&quot;This could bring about a regional shift in the balance of power in favour of the Islamists.&quot; 
 
The PA, out of action and undermined by its failure to secure a Palestinian state in negotiations with Israel, is in an impossible situation. 
 
Abbas&#039;s presidential term ended yesterday. &quot;Today is the day, the end of Abu Mazen [Abbas],&quot; said Ali Jarbawi, academic and former head of the election commission. According to the Palestinian constitution, it was the last day of Abbas&#039;s four-year term. 
 
Although elections for president and parliament should take place simultaneously, Abbas was elected in 2005 on the death of Yasser Arafat and parliamentary elections were held in 2006. 
 
Consequently, Jarbawi said, Hamas could be expected to declare today that Abbas is no longer president while Fatah will argue that he should remain in power until elections are held. 
 
&quot;The problem is not legal or constitutional but political,&quot; caused by the bitter rivalry between the two factions. With goodwill, it could be resolved, Jarbawi said. 
 
Even if Abbas calls for early elections, the polls cannot be held for 95 days. 
 
Furthermore, the devastating Israeli strikes on PA ministries and offices in Gaza mean that it could take at least six months before the strip could vote along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem. 
 
The dispute on the issue could be resolved over time. Abbas could remain caretaker president until next summer or even next January, conforming nearly or actually to the timetable put forward by Hamas. This should promote unity and a measure of reconciliation. However, Jarbawi does not expect this to happen. 
 
In his opinion, the division between Gaza and the West Bank is irreconcilable. As long as Arafat was in charge of Fatah and the PA, he governed both the West Bank and Gaza. But when he died, Jarbawi said, the split - which &quot;was waiting to happen&quot; - occurred and deepened. 
 
This was caused by the &quot;geographical separation&quot; fostered by Israel, which never permitted the PA to open a corridor connecting the two wings of the Palestinian territories. 
 
He compared the Gaza-West Bank situation with that of Pakistan and East Bengal which seceded to become Bangladesh. The PA also made the mistake of allowing local officials to run the two areas, strengthening the divisions. 
 
Jarbawi does not believe Fatah can reassert itself in Gaza and govern it along with the West Bank, a hope held by the international community. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Antony,<br />
Somewhat off topic, but you/anyone have some thoughts/info on this?<br />
All seems pretty precipitous/portent moment, what with UN Gaza Conflict draft resolution, change of presidency in the US  &amp; upcoming elections in Israel &#8230;<br />
Just thought the Irish Times writer may be onto something here?<br />
Ekk      </p>
<p>Friday, January 9, 2009<br />
Fatah fears protests at Gaza assault will destroy security gains in West Bank  <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0109/1231454443374.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0109/1231454443374.html?referer=');"></a><a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/01" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/01?referer=');">http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/01</a>&#8230;<br />
Fatah fears protests at Gaza assault will destroy security gains in West Bank </p>
<p>With Mahmoud Abbas&#039;s term as president officially ending today, Michael Jansen , in the West Bank, examines the relationship between the two Palestinian factions </p>
<p>DOCTORS IN white coats gathered at Manara Square at the heart of the West Bank&#039;s administrative capital to protest Israel&#039;s onslaught on Gaza while students brandishing placards chanted anti-Israel slogans at Bir Zeit university and lowered the Palestinian flag to half-mast. </p>
<p>The demonstrations were heartfelt but without the usual fire and vigour. The Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority (PA) has cracked down hard on protesters storming Israeli checkpoints and barricades. </p>
<p>Ghassan Khatib, former PA minister of labour and planning, said that the PA did not want violence to destroy the security gains made over the past two years when the police force was rebuilt and armed factions were brought under control. </p>
<p>However, the crackdown on expressions of popular feeling exposed the weakness of the PA headed by president Mahmoud Abbas and his secular Fatah movement. </p>
<p>&quot;This is the first war not led by Fatah,&quot; said Khatib. &quot;This war is being led and fought by somebody else, marginalising Fatah.&quot; </p>
<p>Hamas is in command and challenging Israel on the field of battle. For them &quot;it is a win-win situation&quot;, said Khatib. &quot;The losers are the civilians in Gaza, the PA, Egypt and the &#039;moderate&#039; camp in the region. The objectives of Israel and Hamas are not mutually exclusive. Israel wants to stop the rockets and the smuggling of weapons into Gaza and to get rid of Gaza by making it an Egyptian protectorate. </p>
<p>&quot;Hamas wants to stop the offensive, survive, maintain its poten- tial power . . . and assert itself as the main party for war or peace. </p>
<p>&quot;This could bring about a regional shift in the balance of power in favour of the Islamists.&quot; </p>
<p>The PA, out of action and undermined by its failure to secure a Palestinian state in negotiations with Israel, is in an impossible situation. </p>
<p>Abbas&#039;s presidential term ended yesterday. &quot;Today is the day, the end of Abu Mazen [Abbas],&quot; said Ali Jarbawi, academic and former head of the election commission. According to the Palestinian constitution, it was the last day of Abbas&#039;s four-year term. </p>
<p>Although elections for president and parliament should take place simultaneously, Abbas was elected in 2005 on the death of Yasser Arafat and parliamentary elections were held in 2006. </p>
<p>Consequently, Jarbawi said, Hamas could be expected to declare today that Abbas is no longer president while Fatah will argue that he should remain in power until elections are held. </p>
<p>&quot;The problem is not legal or constitutional but political,&quot; caused by the bitter rivalry between the two factions. With goodwill, it could be resolved, Jarbawi said. </p>
<p>Even if Abbas calls for early elections, the polls cannot be held for 95 days. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the devastating Israeli strikes on PA ministries and offices in Gaza mean that it could take at least six months before the strip could vote along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem. </p>
<p>The dispute on the issue could be resolved over time. Abbas could remain caretaker president until next summer or even next January, conforming nearly or actually to the timetable put forward by Hamas. This should promote unity and a measure of reconciliation. However, Jarbawi does not expect this to happen. </p>
<p>In his opinion, the division between Gaza and the West Bank is irreconcilable. As long as Arafat was in charge of Fatah and the PA, he governed both the West Bank and Gaza. But when he died, Jarbawi said, the split &#8211; which &quot;was waiting to happen&quot; &#8211; occurred and deepened. </p>
<p>This was caused by the &quot;geographical separation&quot; fostered by Israel, which never permitted the PA to open a corridor connecting the two wings of the Palestinian territories. </p>
<p>He compared the Gaza-West Bank situation with that of Pakistan and East Bengal which seceded to become Bangladesh. The PA also made the mistake of allowing local officials to run the two areas, strengthening the divisions. </p>
<p>Jarbawi does not believe Fatah can reassert itself in Gaza and govern it along with the West Bank, a hope held by the international community. </p>
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