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	<title>Comments on: The power of a moderate, Zionist Jew like Richard Goldstone</title>
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		<title>By: richard landes</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard landes</dc:creator>
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		<description>this is a very silly piece. &#160;the report is a laughing stock. the mistakes, kafkaesque logic, systematic assumption of israel guilt and palestinian innocence, make it an embarrassment to any who&#039;s read it (have you?). &#160;just look at what he said to &lt;a title=&quot;Christiane Amanpour interviews Goldstone&quot; href=&quot;http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/10/01/christiane-amanpour-interviews-goldstone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christiane Amanpour yesterday&lt;/a&gt; when she asked if he thought Hamas would investigate: 
Well Hamas has courts open. There are courts in Gaza. People are convicted. Some people are, regrettably in my view, are sentenced to be executed. But if Hamas hasn&#8217;t got the sufficient resources, hasn&#8217;t got sufficient lawyers and judges, which I doubt, I&#8217;ve no doubt that the international community will fill any gap that there may be in such an absence of resources. 
this is a bad joke, &#160;if Hamas found anyone guilty of anything, it would be not attacking Israeli civilians. &#160;the man lives in a &quot;even-handed&quot; universe where he has not a clue to the vicious culture of hate and genocidal religious zealotry that moves groups like Hamas and Hizbullah. 
and the rest of the interview which the Magnes Zionist so admired is a joke in the same vein. &#160;Goldstone assures us (apparently without knowing anything) that&#160;Americans surely don&#039;t target civilians but Israelis do, when the Israelis have a 2:1 record of militant to civilian rate in their targeted killings and the US a rate of between 1:10 (on good days) and more often 1:50. 
if Goldstone represents &quot;moderate Zionism&quot; then the political scale can&#039;t even contain the &quot;moderate&quot; Palestinians, whose most self-critical and progressive members are dead and anyone alive (like Abbas) is, by such a scale, far far right. there&#039;s not a shred of the kind of self-criticism that goldstone, you, or your admired commenters like Levy and Magnes engage in among the Palestinians. 
Here&#039;s an example of the Hamas judicial system which Goldstone is confident can either carry out the necessary &quot;review&quot; or will happily accept help from him and his friends. note the reason for summary execution. 
The Hamas court system in action as decribed by the NYT: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/world/middleeast/30mideast.html?_r=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/world/middleeas...&lt;/a&gt; 
  
&lt;em&gt;On Monday, Dr. Ashour was not the only official in charge. Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way. &lt;/em&gt; 
&lt;em&gt;In the fourth-floor orthopedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head. &lt;/em&gt; 
&lt;em&gt;Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital. But their trials were short-circuited. &lt;/em&gt; 
they target their own civilians. why shdn&#039;t they target israelis. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a very silly piece. &nbsp;the report is a laughing stock. the mistakes, kafkaesque logic, systematic assumption of israel guilt and palestinian innocence, make it an embarrassment to any who&#039;s read it (have you?). &nbsp;just look at what he said to &lt;a title=&quot;Christiane Amanpour interviews Goldstone&quot; href=&quot;<a href="http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/10/01/christiane-amanpour-interviews-goldstone/&#038;quot" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/10/01/christiane-amanpour-interviews-goldstone/_038_quot?referer=');">http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/10/01/christiane-amanpour-interviews-goldstone/&#038;quot</a>; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christiane Amanpour yesterday when she asked if he thought Hamas would investigate:</p>
<p>Well Hamas has courts open. There are courts in Gaza. People are convicted. Some people are, regrettably in my view, are sentenced to be executed. But if Hamas hasn&rsquo;t got the sufficient resources, hasn&rsquo;t got sufficient lawyers and judges, which I doubt, I&rsquo;ve no doubt that the international community will fill any gap that there may be in such an absence of resources.</p>
<p>this is a bad joke, &nbsp;if Hamas found anyone guilty of anything, it would be not attacking Israeli civilians. &nbsp;the man lives in a &quot;even-handed&quot; universe where he has not a clue to the vicious culture of hate and genocidal religious zealotry that moves groups like Hamas and Hizbullah.</p>
<p>and the rest of the interview which the Magnes Zionist so admired is a joke in the same vein. &nbsp;Goldstone assures us (apparently without knowing anything) that&nbsp;Americans surely don&#039;t target civilians but Israelis do, when the Israelis have a 2:1 record of militant to civilian rate in their targeted killings and the US a rate of between 1:10 (on good days) and more often 1:50.</p>
<p>if Goldstone represents &quot;moderate Zionism&quot; then the political scale can&#039;t even contain the &quot;moderate&quot; Palestinians, whose most self-critical and progressive members are dead and anyone alive (like Abbas) is, by such a scale, far far right. there&#039;s not a shred of the kind of self-criticism that goldstone, you, or your admired commenters like Levy and Magnes engage in among the Palestinians.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s an example of the Hamas judicial system which Goldstone is confident can either carry out the necessary &quot;review&quot; or will happily accept help from him and his friends. note the reason for summary execution.</p>
<p>The Hamas court system in action as decribed by the NYT:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/world/middleeast/30mideast.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/world/middleeast/30mideast.html?_r=1&amp;referer=');">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/world/middleeas&#8230;</a></p>
<p><em>On Monday, Dr. Ashour was not the only official in charge. Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way. </em></p>
<p><em>In the fourth-floor orthopedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head. </em></p>
<p><em>Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital. But their trials were short-circuited. </em></p>
<p>they target their own civilians. why shdn&#039;t they target israelis.</p>
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		<title>By: Augean Stables &#187; Christiane Amanpour interviews Goldstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augean Stables &#187; Christiane Amanpour interviews Goldstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The world cannot forget Gaza outrage &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>The world cannot forget Gaza outrage &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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