Comments on: Be proud http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:14:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Me http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261067 Me Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:01:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261067 What about this corker:<br/><br/>FRUM: I think a lot of the Sunni opposition will be mollified through the informal processes of government like patronage and the distribution of money, the constitution gives the central government a lot of authority over oil funds and it can then make promises to Sunni tribal leaders to bring them in through patronage practices...(cont'd below)<br/><br/>I love it! The warmongers in the US like to make you believe the democracy they're 'exporting' to the world is all about white picket fences and the protestant work ethic - but in the end it's still the same grubby game of greasy palms and kick backs. Of course - Frum doesn't consider it to be an American failing - they're having to lower themselves to the level of those oh-so-'primitive' arabs and their 'tribal' systems...then of course you get the disclaimer...for whatever it's worth...<br/><br/>FRUM: ...but in the end you cannot allow - you cannot get into a dynamic where the most violent people use violence to get a better deal and learn the lesson that the more violent you are, the better a deal is offered to you. <br/><br/>You think? What about this corker:

FRUM: I think a lot of the Sunni opposition will be mollified through the informal processes of government like patronage and the distribution of money, the constitution gives the central government a lot of authority over oil funds and it can then make promises to Sunni tribal leaders to bring them in through patronage practices…(cont’d below)

I love it! The warmongers in the US like to make you believe the democracy they’re ‘exporting’ to the world is all about white picket fences and the protestant work ethic - but in the end it’s still the same grubby game of greasy palms and kick backs. Of course - Frum doesn’t consider it to be an American failing - they’re having to lower themselves to the level of those oh-so-’primitive’ arabs and their ‘tribal’ systems…then of course you get the disclaimer…for whatever it’s worth…

FRUM: …but in the end you cannot allow - you cannot get into a dynamic where the most violent people use violence to get a better deal and learn the lesson that the more violent you are, the better a deal is offered to you.

You think?

]]> By: Iqbal Khaldun http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261066 Iqbal Khaldun Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:58:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261066 I really dislike Frum. He sounds eerily like Jerry Springer. Such a used car salesman... I really dislike Frum. He sounds eerily like Jerry Springer. Such a used car salesman…

]]> By: leftvegdrunk http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261062 leftvegdrunk Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:19:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261062 Agreed, Glenn. Weezil's "neo-con-artists" come to mind! And we could probably throw Krauthammer into this nexus, too.<br/><br/>Ant, strong post. And thanks for the link to Monbiot's piece. (Reading for the train ride home!) Agreed, Glenn. Weezil’s “neo-con-artists” come to mind! And we could probably throw Krauthammer into this nexus, too.

Ant, strong post. And thanks for the link to Monbiot’s piece. (Reading for the train ride home!)

]]> By: Glenn Condell http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261057 Glenn Condell Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:13:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/08/31/be-proud/#comment-261057 A real spectrum of opinion wasn't it? From your Axis of Evil to your Shock and Awe. From neocon mania to US strategic imperatives... trust Tony to ignore the opportunity to oppose both strains of American imperialism - the Israel first faction (Frum) and the US first faction (Ullman). I remember seeing Ullman a few times in the lead up; he didn't have the war hubris as badly as Frum and his chums, but it was bad enough. He's changed his tune a bit. And Frum is just another hypersmart but morally vacant Washington cipher with a foreign country's agenda in his heart - a spinner, a finesser, a bullshit artist. He looked pretty desperate and well he might. A real spectrum of opinion wasn’t it? From your Axis of Evil to your Shock and Awe. From neocon mania to US strategic imperatives… trust Tony to ignore the opportunity to oppose both strains of American imperialism - the Israel first faction (Frum) and the US first faction (Ullman). I remember seeing Ullman a few times in the lead up; he didn’t have the war hubris as badly as Frum and his chums, but it was bad enough. He’s changed his tune a bit. And Frum is just another hypersmart but morally vacant Washington cipher with a foreign country’s agenda in his heart - a spinner, a finesser, a bullshit artist. He looked pretty desperate and well he might.

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