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		<title>By: Murky Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-263247</link>
		<dc:creator>Murky Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the five year-old news story "The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sounds plausible to me, having read many a scientific paper. The editor is saying was the text and the discussion, not the data or the conclusions, that got the article pulled. That and the fact people get easily upset about anything touching Israel/Palestine, no matter which way it spins. Qvit yer kvetching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the five year-old news story &#8220;The journal&#8217;s editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds plausible to me, having read many a scientific paper. The editor is saying was the text and the discussion, not the data or the conclusions, that got the article pulled. That and the fact people get easily upset about anything touching Israel/Palestine, no matter which way it spins. Qvit yer kvetching.</p>
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		<title>By: leftvegdrunk</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261643</link>
		<dc:creator>leftvegdrunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward's, point that 'Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad are political organisations, rather than synonyms for "the Palestinian people"' is a critical one. And of course therefore ignored in Ibrahamav's weak reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward&#8217;s, point that &#8216;Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad are political organisations, rather than synonyms for &#8220;the Palestinian people&#8221;&#8216; is a critical one. And of course therefore ignored in Ibrahamav&#8217;s weak reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Mariyani-Squire</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261626</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Mariyani-Squire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ibrahamav said... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Eddie, Sorry that your literary skills end before you get to the "between the lines" information.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Destruction of Israel includes the destruction of the Jewish people of Israel.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Huh? If you read their documents you'll note they're not exactly light on the violent rhetoric. Hamas, as I'm sure you would agree, is a collection of psychotic nutcases. Given everything written in the Hamas Charter - all pretty shocking, and not exactly a document designed for sneaky underhanded diplomatic double-speak -  if they wanted to say "Smoke out all the Jews, where-ever they are hiding around the world and kill them", then I think they would have absolutely no interest in putting "between the lines". We're not talking about Kabbalah secret code here - they're crazy, but they're not &lt;i&gt;THAT&lt;/i&gt; crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibrahamav said&#8230; <br /><i>Eddie, Sorry that your literary skills end before you get to the &#8220;between the lines&#8221; information.</p>
<p>Destruction of Israel includes the destruction of the Jewish people of Israel.</i></p>
<p>Huh? If you read their documents you&#8217;ll note they&#8217;re not exactly light on the violent rhetoric. Hamas, as I&#8217;m sure you would agree, is a collection of psychotic nutcases. Given everything written in the Hamas Charter - all pretty shocking, and not exactly a document designed for sneaky underhanded diplomatic double-speak -  if they wanted to say &#8220;Smoke out all the Jews, where-ever they are hiding around the world and kill them&#8221;, then I think they would have absolutely no interest in putting &#8220;between the lines&#8221;. We&#8217;re not talking about Kabbalah secret code here - they&#8217;re crazy, but they&#8217;re not <i>THAT</i> crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahamav</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261572</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahamav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie, Sorry that your literary skills end before you get to the "between the lines" information.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Destruction of Israel includes the destruction of the Jewish people of Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie, Sorry that your literary skills end before you get to the &#8220;between the lines&#8221; information.</p>
<p>Destruction of Israel includes the destruction of the Jewish people of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Mariyani-Squire</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261563</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Mariyani-Squire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dirtbikeoption said... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Palestinians desire a second holocaust?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ibrahamav said... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Look at the charter of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad. What is the popular sermon in the Palestinian mosques?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as I can tell, Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad are political organisations, rather than synonyms for "the Palestinian people". &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You'll be happy to know I did check the 1988 Hamas Charter, and it certainly said that it wants to eliminate Israel as a state, but it doesn't say it wants to eliminate all Jews as a people. (Only the latter constitutes a desire for genocide.) I also checked Fatah's 1965 Constitution. What a relic &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is! It reaks of the Marxist rhetoric of the time. I don't think that document means very much these days. Yes, Article 12 does state that one of the primary goals is the "Complete liberation of Palestine and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence," but again, that it not the same as saying one wants to eliminate the Jewish people from the face of the earth. It is waying it wants to eliminate the Zionist presence in "Palestine" (boundaries unspecified). And anyway, Article 12 (and Article 22, "Opposing any political solution offered as an alternative to demolishing the Zionist occupation in Palestine...") are obviously out-of-date and redundant now otherwise we wouldn't be able to explain the Rabin-Arafat accord (and the gazillion other attempts at agreement). As for Islamic Jihad, I couldn't find a charter for them (which is not really surprising given their relatively insignificant size and (reported) lack of popularity in the Occupied Territories), so I don't know what IJ thinks - presumably something similar to Hamas since it broke away from there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, based on what you suggested here, I don't see support for the assertion that "they desire a second holocaust".&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to what's at the Top of the Palestinian Sermon Hit Parade, I'm afraid I wouldn't know where to begin to double-check that. I certainly haven't had the opportunity to go around to a random sample of mosques in the Occupied Territories with my pen and clip-board furiously ticking off the "holocaust statement" box, collating the data, and running the appropriate significance statistical tests. I assume you have, however - I can't think of any other reason for your confidence about this. Kind Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dirtbikeoption said&#8230; <br /><i>Palestinians desire a second holocaust?</i><br />Ibrahamav said&#8230; <br /><i>Look at the charter of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad. What is the popular sermon in the Palestinian mosques?</i></p>
<p>As far as I can tell, Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad are political organisations, rather than synonyms for &#8220;the Palestinian people&#8221;. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be happy to know I did check the 1988 Hamas Charter, and it certainly said that it wants to eliminate Israel as a state, but it doesn&#8217;t say it wants to eliminate all Jews as a people. (Only the latter constitutes a desire for genocide.) I also checked Fatah&#8217;s 1965 Constitution. What a relic <i>that</i> is! It reaks of the Marxist rhetoric of the time. I don&#8217;t think that document means very much these days. Yes, Article 12 does state that one of the primary goals is the &#8220;Complete liberation of Palestine and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence,&#8221; but again, that it not the same as saying one wants to eliminate the Jewish people from the face of the earth. It is waying it wants to eliminate the Zionist presence in &#8220;Palestine&#8221; (boundaries unspecified). And anyway, Article 12 (and Article 22, &#8220;Opposing any political solution offered as an alternative to demolishing the Zionist occupation in Palestine&#8230;&#8221;) are obviously out-of-date and redundant now otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t be able to explain the Rabin-Arafat accord (and the gazillion other attempts at agreement). As for Islamic Jihad, I couldn&#8217;t find a charter for them (which is not really surprising given their relatively insignificant size and (reported) lack of popularity in the Occupied Territories), so I don&#8217;t know what IJ thinks - presumably something similar to Hamas since it broke away from there.</p>
<p>So, based on what you suggested here, I don&#8217;t see support for the assertion that &#8220;they desire a second holocaust&#8221;.</p>
<p>As to what&#8217;s at the Top of the Palestinian Sermon Hit Parade, I&#8217;m afraid I wouldn&#8217;t know where to begin to double-check that. I certainly haven&#8217;t had the opportunity to go around to a random sample of mosques in the Occupied Territories with my pen and clip-board furiously ticking off the &#8220;holocaust statement&#8221; box, collating the data, and running the appropriate significance statistical tests. I assume you have, however - I can&#8217;t think of any other reason for your confidence about this. Kind Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: leftvegdrunk</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261557</link>
		<dc:creator>leftvegdrunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ibrahamav, you have won me over. Where do I sign up for your newsletter?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry, Ant. I am switching sides to be with the intellectuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibrahamav, you have won me over. Where do I sign up for your newsletter?</p>
<p>Sorry, Ant. I am switching sides to be with the intellectuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahamav</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261542</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahamav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the charter of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad. What is the popular sermon in the Palestinian mosques? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You don't really need me to substantiate that claim. You already know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the charter of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad. What is the popular sermon in the Palestinian mosques? </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really need me to substantiate that claim. You already know it.</p>
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		<title>By: leftvegdrunk</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261537</link>
		<dc:creator>leftvegdrunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinians desire a second holocaust? Ibrahamav, please substantiate that claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinians desire a second holocaust? Ibrahamav, please substantiate that claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahamav</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261523</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahamav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, those Palestinians, who inherited the nazi style hatred of their previous mufti of Jerusalem, are sick racists.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Amazing how they desire a second holocaust... of their brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, those Palestinians, who inherited the nazi style hatred of their previous mufti of Jerusalem, are sick racists.</p>
<p>Amazing how they desire a second holocaust&#8230; of their brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Condell</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/09/29/censoring-the-genes/#comment-261511</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have argued with many a Likudnik in all sorts of forums over the years and one of the things they hate most is being reminded that the Arabs are their bro's. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So I did a google to see if I could find any old posts to demonstrate this; not one. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe they pulled those too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have argued with many a Likudnik in all sorts of forums over the years and one of the things they hate most is being reminded that the Arabs are their bro&#8217;s. </p>
<p>So I did a google to see if I could find any old posts to demonstrate this; not one. </p>
<p>Maybe they pulled those too!</p>
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