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		<title>By: Comical_Ali</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-263010</link>
		<dc:creator>Comical_Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"1) 52 states alone cannot pass a resolution!"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;52 countries working as a single block, with all their allies and oil influence,  are more than enough to directly influence the passing of a Non-binding resolution in the UN general assembly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"2) Some of the resolution have been passed by the Security Council." &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Which binding UN resolutions has Israel flouted?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"Muslim states are rarely invited as temporary members, and even then only 1 at a time."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Israel has never been invited. Countries like Pakistan, Algeria and Syria have. They also happen to have more allies who are permanent members - Russia, China and France.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"Yes, to wipe out its neighbours. A possibility that seems to upset very few."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To wipe out its neighbours only if Israel itself is faced with the possibility of anniahlation (and her neighbours - a more recent example is Iran - have stated their intentions loud and clear).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1) 52 states alone cannot pass a resolution!&#8221;</p>
<p>52 countries working as a single block, with all their allies and oil influence,  are more than enough to directly influence the passing of a Non-binding resolution in the UN general assembly.</p>
<p>&#8220;2) Some of the resolution have been passed by the Security Council.&#8221; </p>
<p>Which binding UN resolutions has Israel flouted?</p>
<p>&#8220;Muslim states are rarely invited as temporary members, and even then only 1 at a time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Israel has never been invited. Countries like Pakistan, Algeria and Syria have. They also happen to have more allies who are permanent members - Russia, China and France.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, to wipe out its neighbours. A possibility that seems to upset very few.&#8221;</p>
<p>To wipe out its neighbours only if Israel itself is faced with the possibility of anniahlation (and her neighbours - a more recent example is Iran - have stated their intentions loud and clear).</p>
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		<title>By: Comical_Ali</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-263009</link>
		<dc:creator>Comical_Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"That was one man, living in Germany"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One man living in Germany? It was one man who happened to be the  leader and representative of what are now called the "Palestinians."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"What evidence is there that Hussieni knew what fate awaited the Hungarian children? Or that he knew what Auschwitz was really for? Most Germans didn't, including many of those near the top of the political and military establishment."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I dont know exactly how much your average German knew, but I can tell you (with confidence) what I think the top military and political establisments new. After all Nazi genocide (especially in the East) was out in the open and the SS murder squads worked along side the regular army and political establishment - not outside of it. But thats another topic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not only did Hussieni know (he vistied Nazi death camps and inspected the gas chambers) but he activley encouraged the Nazis -- there is ample documentary evidence available (one of these is a passionate letter, urging the Nazis to send Hungrian Jewish children to Auschwitz instead of releasing them to the allies)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And not only did he encourage -- but he activley participated in the genocide by setting up Muslim SS units in the Balkans. These units massacred thousands of Serbs, Jews, Croats and Gypsies. So not only was he an inciter of genocide, crimes against humanity and Nazi war crimes - but he directly carried these crimes out himself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"It is even less likely that the Palestine leadership in Palestine knew anything of the Holocaust."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The rallying cry of the Hussieni leadership was "death to the Jews" and large scale genocide and pogroms were carried out by the Mufti before the outbreak of the War - one was the Hebron massacer of 1929.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That was one man, living in Germany&#8221;</p>
<p>One man living in Germany? It was one man who happened to be the  leader and representative of what are now called the &#8220;Palestinians.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What evidence is there that Hussieni knew what fate awaited the Hungarian children? Or that he knew what Auschwitz was really for? Most Germans didn&#8217;t, including many of those near the top of the political and military establishment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I dont know exactly how much your average German knew, but I can tell you (with confidence) what I think the top military and political establisments new. After all Nazi genocide (especially in the East) was out in the open and the SS murder squads worked along side the regular army and political establishment - not outside of it. But thats another topic.</p>
<p>Not only did Hussieni know (he vistied Nazi death camps and inspected the gas chambers) but he activley encouraged the Nazis &#8212; there is ample documentary evidence available (one of these is a passionate letter, urging the Nazis to send Hungrian Jewish children to Auschwitz instead of releasing them to the allies)</p>
<p>And not only did he encourage &#8212; but he activley participated in the genocide by setting up Muslim SS units in the Balkans. These units massacred thousands of Serbs, Jews, Croats and Gypsies. So not only was he an inciter of genocide, crimes against humanity and Nazi war crimes - but he directly carried these crimes out himself.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is even less likely that the Palestine leadership in Palestine knew anything of the Holocaust.&#8221;</p>
<p>The rallying cry of the Hussieni leadership was &#8220;death to the Jews&#8221; and large scale genocide and pogroms were carried out by the Mufti before the outbreak of the War - one was the Hebron massacer of 1929.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Westmore</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262979</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Westmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comical ali wrote:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;A country which flouts NON binding UN resolutions which were convienantly introduced and passed by the 52 member Muslim block -- countries which happen to be the most brutual and oppressive on the face of this earth.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) 52 states alone cannot pass a resolution!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) Some of the resolution have been passed by the Security Council. Muslim states are rarely invited as temporary members, and even then only 1 at a time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Israel has weapons for a reason -- and will only use them if that one reason becomes a reality.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, to wipe out its neighbours. A possibility that seems to upset very few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comical ali wrote:</p>
<p><b>A country which flouts NON binding UN resolutions which were convienantly introduced and passed by the 52 member Muslim block &#8212; countries which happen to be the most brutual and oppressive on the face of this earth.</b></p>
<p>1) 52 states alone cannot pass a resolution!</p>
<p>2) Some of the resolution have been passed by the Security Council. Muslim states are rarely invited as temporary members, and even then only 1 at a time.</p>
<p><b>Israel has weapons for a reason &#8212; and will only use them if that one reason becomes a reality.</b></p>
<p>Yes, to wipe out its neighbours. A possibility that seems to upset very few.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Westmore</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262978</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Westmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comical_Ali said...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;their leadership played a direct role in inciting and carrying out genocide against Jews in Europe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In one instance alone, thousands of hungrian Jewish children were deported to Auschwitz at the instance of the "Palestinian leader" Hussieni. Without his instance and persuasion (he persuaded Eichmann and Himmler), these children could have been saved and released to the allies.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That was one man, living in Germany. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What evidence is there that Hussieni knew what fate awaited the Hungarian children? Or that he knew what Auschwitz was really for? Most Germans didn't, including many of those near the top of the political and military establishment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is even less likely that the Palestine leadership in Palestine knew anything of the Holocaust. Their support of Germany was about ending British rule of Palestine not murdering Jews.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And what evidence is there that the Germans would have released the children to the allies anyway?  Hitler's ideology wasn't simply to banish Jews from Europe, but to exterminate them. Why would he allow them to go to Palestine when he wanted to control that too? What do you think Rommel was doing driving east towards the very same Palestine? Sightseeing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comical_Ali said&#8230;</p>
<p><b>their leadership played a direct role in inciting and carrying out genocide against Jews in Europe.</p>
<p>In one instance alone, thousands of hungrian Jewish children were deported to Auschwitz at the instance of the &#8220;Palestinian leader&#8221; Hussieni. Without his instance and persuasion (he persuaded Eichmann and Himmler), these children could have been saved and released to the allies.</b></p>
<p>That was one man, living in Germany. </p>
<p>What evidence is there that Hussieni knew what fate awaited the Hungarian children? Or that he knew what Auschwitz was really for? Most Germans didn&#8217;t, including many of those near the top of the political and military establishment.</p>
<p>It is even less likely that the Palestine leadership in Palestine knew anything of the Holocaust. Their support of Germany was about ending British rule of Palestine not murdering Jews.</p>
<p>And what evidence is there that the Germans would have released the children to the allies anyway?  Hitler&#8217;s ideology wasn&#8217;t simply to banish Jews from Europe, but to exterminate them. Why would he allow them to go to Palestine when he wanted to control that too? What do you think Rommel was doing driving east towards the very same Palestine? Sightseeing?</p>
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		<title>By: Comical_Ali</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262967</link>
		<dc:creator>Comical_Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I can't think of one regular Muslim commentator in the country."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Amin Saikal -- columns regularly featured in the fairfax press and is a regular TV commentator on ME affairs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Waleed Aly -  also featured prominantly as a commentator.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"and that is Israel, a nation that flouts all international directives and UN resolutions on nuclear weapons and on its policies in the occupied territories, which have victimised generations of Palestinians."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A country which flouts NON binding UN resolutions which were convienantly introduced and passed by the 52 member Muslim block -- countries which happen to be the most brutual and oppressive on the face of this earth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;B/thw there is no international directive or UN resolution - that is at least  binding - which calls for Israel to disarm.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reason why countries like Iran, North Korea and Iraq have been targetted over countries like Israel is simple -- these countries have threatened to use WMD or in Iraq's case already have (against the Kurds and Iranians). In Iran's case, the head state, threatened to wipe off another country off the face of the earth. His speech was just a one off -- there were many delivered by his "moderate" predecessor and Iran's religious elite.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thats precisley why these countries are called "rogue" and have to be forced to disarm. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Israel has weapons for a reason -- and will only use them if that one reason becomes a reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t think of one regular Muslim commentator in the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amin Saikal &#8212; columns regularly featured in the fairfax press and is a regular TV commentator on ME affairs.</p>
<p>Waleed Aly -  also featured prominantly as a commentator.</p>
<p>&#8220;and that is Israel, a nation that flouts all international directives and UN resolutions on nuclear weapons and on its policies in the occupied territories, which have victimised generations of Palestinians.&#8221;</p>
<p>A country which flouts NON binding UN resolutions which were convienantly introduced and passed by the 52 member Muslim block &#8212; countries which happen to be the most brutual and oppressive on the face of this earth.</p>
<p>B/thw there is no international directive or UN resolution - that is at least  binding - which calls for Israel to disarm.</p>
<p>The reason why countries like Iran, North Korea and Iraq have been targetted over countries like Israel is simple &#8212; these countries have threatened to use WMD or in Iraq&#8217;s case already have (against the Kurds and Iranians). In Iran&#8217;s case, the head state, threatened to wipe off another country off the face of the earth. His speech was just a one off &#8212; there were many delivered by his &#8220;moderate&#8221; predecessor and Iran&#8217;s religious elite.</p>
<p>Thats precisley why these countries are called &#8220;rogue&#8221; and have to be forced to disarm. </p>
<p>Israel has weapons for a reason &#8212; and will only use them if that one reason becomes a reality.</p>
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		<title>By: boredinHK</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262966</link>
		<dc:creator>boredinHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I ask Ibrahamav and Comical ali as question ?&lt;br/&gt;I guess this is a debatable point but is there any concensus that the jewish peoples had any claim to any lands in the middle east before the establishment of the state of Israel?&lt;br/&gt;Which international body sanctioned the creation of the state? The UN ? Only Europe ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ms Alibhai-Brown frequently appears on the BBC show Dateline. She inevitably interprets events along the line of west =bad , muslims = oppressed by /west whites. it leads to her current confusion I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I ask Ibrahamav and Comical ali as question ?<br />I guess this is a debatable point but is there any concensus that the jewish peoples had any claim to any lands in the middle east before the establishment of the state of Israel?<br />Which international body sanctioned the creation of the state? The UN ? Only Europe ?</p>
<p>Ms Alibhai-Brown frequently appears on the BBC show Dateline. She inevitably interprets events along the line of west =bad , muslims = oppressed by /west whites. it leads to her current confusion I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Comical_Ali</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262961</link>
		<dc:creator>Comical_Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Does that mean they too aided Hitler is his quest to kill Jews?" &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yup.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But the "Palestinians"  (in answer to Ed's question -- even the "Palestinians" didnt consider that they existed at the time either...they always historically considered themselves  "Syrians" fighting for a greater united Pan Arab cause) and their leadership played a direct role in inciting and carrying out genocide against Jews in Europe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In one instance alone, thousands of hungrian Jewish children were deported to Auschwitz at the instance of the "Palestinian leader" Hussieni. Without his instance and persuasion (he persuaded Eichmann and Himmler), these children could have been saved and released to the allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does that mean they too aided Hitler is his quest to kill Jews?&#8221; </p>
<p>Yup.</p>
<p>But the &#8220;Palestinians&#8221;  (in answer to Ed&#8217;s question &#8212; even the &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; didnt consider that they existed at the time either&#8230;they always historically considered themselves  &#8220;Syrians&#8221; fighting for a greater united Pan Arab cause) and their leadership played a direct role in inciting and carrying out genocide against Jews in Europe.</p>
<p>In one instance alone, thousands of hungrian Jewish children were deported to Auschwitz at the instance of the &#8220;Palestinian leader&#8221; Hussieni. Without his instance and persuasion (he persuaded Eichmann and Himmler), these children could have been saved and released to the allies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahamav</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262955</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahamav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward was given to understand? You were given nothing. Perhaps you stole it? But it didn't exist. How can you steal what doesn't exist? Then you must have made it up.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If Bush was in Germany at the time, as a leader of the American people, and he encouraged Hitler to kill Jews, then he would have been guilty of providing Hitler with verbal support.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No Bush did, but a leader of the Arabs living in the Palestinian region, some who referred to themselves as palestinians, as almost all of the Jews living in the region identified themselves, did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward was given to understand? You were given nothing. Perhaps you stole it? But it didn&#8217;t exist. How can you steal what doesn&#8217;t exist? Then you must have made it up.</p>
<p>If Bush was in Germany at the time, as a leader of the American people, and he encouraged Hitler to kill Jews, then he would have been guilty of providing Hitler with verbal support.</p>
<p>No Bush did, but a leader of the Arabs living in the Palestinian region, some who referred to themselves as palestinians, as almost all of the Jews living in the region identified themselves, did.</p>
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		<title>By: Wombat</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262953</link>
		<dc:creator>Wombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US companies IG Farben and IBM were involved in business dealings with the Nazis, as was Groeg Bush'd grandaddy.  In fact IG Farben provided the cheicals for the gas chambers.  Does that mean they too aided Hitler is his quest to kill Jews?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US companies IG Farben and IBM were involved in business dealings with the Nazis, as was Groeg Bush&#8217;d grandaddy.  In fact IG Farben provided the cheicals for the gas chambers.  Does that mean they too aided Hitler is his quest to kill Jews?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Mariyani-Squire</title>
		<link>http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/10/31/accepting-realities/#comment-262951</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Mariyani-Squire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ibrahamav: You forgot to mention that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is an anti-semitic, islamo-fascist, blah-blah.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Even though the Palestinian leadership aided Hitler is his quest to kill Jews."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was given to understand that you believed the Palestinians didn't really exist in the 1930s and 1940s. Is it your position now that they DID exist before the Europeans started turning up in Palestine? Just trying to clear up what your position is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibrahamav: You forgot to mention that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is an anti-semitic, islamo-fascist, blah-blah.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Even though the Palestinian leadership aided Hitler is his quest to kill Jews.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I was given to understand that you believed the Palestinians didn&#8217;t really exist in the 1930s and 1940s. Is it your position now that they DID exist before the Europeans started turning up in Palestine? Just trying to clear up what your position is.</p>
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