Comments on: No play-lunch for you http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/ Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:29:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Ibrahamav http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264503 Ibrahamav Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:26:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264503 Ali remained an unabashed racist, calling for an American apartheid and the lynching of interracial couples as late as 1975. <br/>In the years that mattered, Ali drove a wedge between the races. This may not have been evident to the cultural elite, but anyone who had been at Gary or like venues would know exactly what I mean. <br/>He routinely denigrated black heroes who did not share his point of view, Joe Louis, Jackie Robinson, and Thurgood Marshall among them. <br/>He continuously belittled and undermined Christianity, a bedrock of cultural stability in black America. <br/>Ali shamelessly courted some of the most brutal dictators on the planet: Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Papa Doc Duvalier, Nkrumah, Mobutu, Marcos. <br/>One of those dictators, Mobutu Sese Seko Nkuku Wa Za Banga, was complicit in the death of the black nationalist hero, Patrice Lumumba. <br/>Ali helped launch the career of Don King. <br/>And, oh yes, he rejected his country in its hour of need and expressed no regret at the fate of those millions we all abandoned. The man who compelled him to do so had conspired with the Japanese and cheered them on at Pearl Harbor. Ali remained an unabashed racist, calling for an American apartheid and the lynching of interracial couples as late as 1975.
In the years that mattered, Ali drove a wedge between the races. This may not have been evident to the cultural elite, but anyone who had been at Gary or like venues would know exactly what I mean.
He routinely denigrated black heroes who did not share his point of view, Joe Louis, Jackie Robinson, and Thurgood Marshall among them.
He continuously belittled and undermined Christianity, a bedrock of cultural stability in black America.
Ali shamelessly courted some of the most brutal dictators on the planet: Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Papa Doc Duvalier, Nkrumah, Mobutu, Marcos.
One of those dictators, Mobutu Sese Seko Nkuku Wa Za Banga, was complicit in the death of the black nationalist hero, Patrice Lumumba.
Ali helped launch the career of Don King.
And, oh yes, he rejected his country in its hour of need and expressed no regret at the fate of those millions we all abandoned. The man who compelled him to do so had conspired with the Japanese and cheered them on at Pearl Harbor.

]]> By: Ibrahamav http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264409 Ibrahamav Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:13:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264409 They are proud of Rodney King, too. They are proud of Rodney King, too.

]]> By: Antony Loewenstein http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264387 Antony Loewenstein Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:49:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264387 Ali has no other claim to fame other than boxing?<br/>Jeez, some people don't get out much. Ask a generation of black Americans how they view his attitude towards the US govt and Vietnam. Proud and courageous... Ali has no other claim to fame other than boxing?
Jeez, some people don’t get out much. Ask a generation of black Americans how they view his attitude towards the US govt and Vietnam. Proud and courageous…

]]> By: J F http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264379 J F Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:13:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264379 But, Ali might not have been as good as Teofilo Stevenson. Unfortunately, we'll never know.<br/><br/>Actually, Henry Cooper might also have been better than Ali – he was robbed, as they say.<br/><br/>Oh yeah, if ever I meet a white supremacist I'll ask his opinion. But, Ali might not have been as good as Teofilo Stevenson. Unfortunately, we’ll never know.

Actually, Henry Cooper might also have been better than Ali – he was robbed, as they say.

Oh yeah, if ever I meet a white supremacist I’ll ask his opinion.

]]> By: Wombat http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264377 Wombat Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264377 Most white supremacists would agree. Most white supremacists would agree.

]]> By: J F http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264375 J F Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:23:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264375 Ali was probably the best professional boxer of his day. He has no other claim to fame. Ali was probably the best professional boxer of his day. He has no other claim to fame.

]]> By: Wombat http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264371 Wombat Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:30:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264371 Indeed Eddie,; race, ethnicity and religion.<br/><br/>I'm surprised that Pipes can claim being opposed to Bush'd party and principals is any sort of criticism, but it speak svolumes abtou Pipes.<br/><br/>Nation of Islam itself seems pretty dubious to say the least, and they are very marginalised. As for Ali, he was a much more aware of his actions than he's given credit for. <br/><br/>I remember a commentary given about one particular fight Ali had with one of his "great white hope" oppnents (name alludes me). At the time, white Aemrican's were insisting on using the name Casius instead of Ali. In the fight, he kept tautning his opponent to (who had made racist slurs befpre the fight), asking him repeatedly ,"what's myname fool"? <br/><br/>Ali was truly an incredible figue adn will continue to be foor generations. Indeed Eddie,; race, ethnicity and religion.

I’m surprised that Pipes can claim being opposed to Bush’d party and principals is any sort of criticism, but it speak svolumes abtou Pipes.

Nation of Islam itself seems pretty dubious to say the least, and they are very marginalised. As for Ali, he was a much more aware of his actions than he’s given credit for.

I remember a commentary given about one particular fight Ali had with one of his “great white hope” oppnents (name alludes me). At the time, white Aemrican’s were insisting on using the name Casius instead of Ali. In the fight, he kept tautning his opponent to (who had made racist slurs befpre the fight), asking him repeatedly ,”what’s myname fool”?

Ali was truly an incredible figue adn will continue to be foor generations.

]]> By: Edward Mariyani-Squire http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264366 Edward Mariyani-Squire Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:03:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264366 Ibrahamav said... <br/><i>"black racists"</i><br/><br/>You like categorising people according to race, don't you. I wonder why. Ibrahamav said…
“black racists”

You like categorising people according to race, don’t you. I wonder why.

]]> By: Ibrahamav http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264364 Ibrahamav Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:01:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264364 AL, the "Jewish dr goebbels" and I brought up the nazi connection? <br/><br/>You are in la la land.<br/><br/>Ali is the 'greatest' for his boxing ability and charisma. Little else.<br/><br/>Heidi, Nation of islam is a racist organization. Yhat it appears to be a 100% Black organization lends it to a definition as a group of black racists. But like you, there is no difference between racists other than what they hate for no good reason. AL, the “Jewish dr goebbels” and I brought up the nazi connection?

You are in la la land.

Ali is the ‘greatest’ for his boxing ability and charisma. Little else.

Heidi, Nation of islam is a racist organization. Yhat it appears to be a 100% Black organization lends it to a definition as a group of black racists. But like you, there is no difference between racists other than what they hate for no good reason.

]]> By: David Heidelberg http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264349 David Heidelberg Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:45:00 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2005/11/30/no-play-lunch-for-you/#comment-264349 <i>black racist</i><br/><br/>How does that differ from a white racist Ibby, and why do you make the distinction.<br/><br/>Really, you've exposed your contempt for Arabs, your religious fundamentalism, now you're going after blacks? You have no credibility - you're a racist fool. black racist

How does that differ from a white racist Ibby, and why do you make the distinction.

Really, you’ve exposed your contempt for Arabs, your religious fundamentalism, now you’re going after blacks? You have no credibility - you’re a racist fool.

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