Comments on: The debate The Oz doesn’t want to have http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:03:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: gandhi http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70461 gandhi Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:39:37 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70461 Aaron Lane says Antony "isn’t being censored, as The Australian is under no obligation to publish anything." He argues that Murdoch can publish or not publish whatever he likes, coz it's his paper. But then he dismisses Antony's accusations of msm partisanship! Go figure...! You can't have it both ways, Aaron. Either Murdoch is running a respectable national newspaper according to traditional journalist ethics (which includes hands-off management and editorial independence), or he is running a self-serving propaganda tool for his Big Business golfing partners and their political cronies. Most thinking people have given up on FAUX News and Murdoch's tabloid press as predominantly entertainment-based pseudo-journalism. The Australian still purports to be something more than that, but it's reputation is sinking quickly. Aaron Lane says Antony “isn’t being censored, as The Australian is under no obligation to publish anything.” He argues that Murdoch can publish or not publish whatever he likes, coz it’s his paper. But then he dismisses Antony’s accusations of msm partisanship! Go figure…!

You can’t have it both ways, Aaron. Either Murdoch is running a respectable national newspaper according to traditional journalist ethics (which includes hands-off management and editorial independence), or he is running a self-serving propaganda tool for his Big Business golfing partners and their political cronies.

Most thinking people have given up on FAUX News and Murdoch’s tabloid press as predominantly entertainment-based pseudo-journalism. The Australian still purports to be something more than that, but it’s reputation is sinking quickly.

]]> By: Murdoch’s Middle East story at Antony Loewenstein http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70127 Murdoch’s Middle East story at Antony Loewenstein Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:26:20 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70127 [...] my revelations yesterday that Murdoch’s Australian isn’t too keen on robust debate regarding the [...] [...] my revelations yesterday that Murdoch’s Australian isn’t too keen on robust debate regarding the [...]

]]> By: Antony Loewenstein http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70033 Antony Loewenstein Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:56:27 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70033 Watch this space, my Carter piece will appear in the next week or so. Watch this space, my Carter piece will appear in the next week or so.

]]> By: Waddy http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70032 Waddy Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:48:40 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-70032 Looks like censorship to me. Let's see if the Oz publishes a different-source commentary on the Carter book controversy (expect a lazy rip-off from one of News Ltd's other rags). I agree with Antony's characterisation of the Oz piece on the Brandeis Uni event as 'shallow'. I have read a lot of criticism of the use of 'Apartheid' word in Carter's book title - but I don't recall one critic actually analysing the factual basis for Carter's choice of words. Antony: If the Oz wont publish your piece, can we see it somewhere else? Looks like censorship to me. Let’s see if the Oz publishes a different-source commentary on the Carter book controversy (expect a lazy rip-off from one of News Ltd’s other rags). I agree with Antony’s characterisation of the Oz piece on the Brandeis Uni event as ’shallow’.

I have read a lot of criticism of the use of ‘Apartheid’ word in Carter’s book title - but I don’t recall one critic actually analysing the factual basis for Carter’s choice of words.

Antony: If the Oz wont publish your piece, can we see it somewhere else?

]]> By: Addamo http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69926 Addamo Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:24:52 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69926 BTW, Here is a video fo the presentation Carter gave to Brandeis University. Does this sound like a hate filled anti-Semite to you? http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/204/59/ BTW, Here is a video fo the presentation Carter gave to Brandeis University.

Does this sound like a hate filled anti-Semite to you?

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/204/59/

]]> By: Addamo http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69919 Addamo Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:36:46 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69919 Aaron, You're just a shill for Israel. Could you make it any more obvious? Ant's piece on the blogosphere was nothing controversial. It was self evident and it is obvious that is not what the editor was pissed about. Carter's book is a best seller thanks to weasel like Dershowitz. You should buy a copy. You will learn a lot from it. Aaron,

You’re just a shill for Israel. Could you make it any more obvious?

Ant’s piece on the blogosphere was nothing controversial. It was self evident and it is obvious that is not what the editor was pissed about.

Carter’s book is a best seller thanks to weasel like Dershowitz. You should buy a copy. You will learn a lot from it.

]]> By: Mannie De Saxe http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69909 Mannie De Saxe Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:51:23 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69909 Oh, and by the way, apartheid in South Africa was a starting point for Israel in the occupied territories - they have just learned how to refine it to an even crueller degree, which amounts to ethnic cleansing, which is just another word for genocide. Oh, and by the way, apartheid in South Africa was a starting point for Israel in the occupied territories - they have just learned how to refine it to an even crueller degree, which amounts to ethnic cleansing, which is just another word for genocide.

]]> By: Mannie De Saxe http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69908 Mannie De Saxe Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:48:18 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69908 Oh, so if they commissioned the article and didn't print it, that isn't censorship??? The <i>Australian</i> is just joining in with all the other Australian media and censoring - or self-censoring those issues which they find too controversial to consider. So they do the work of the government, of the zionist lobby, of all the other right wing reactionaries with which this country is currently overloaded. Just listen to Downer today on David Hicks - see what I mean??? Oh, so if they commissioned the article and didn’t print it, that isn’t censorship??? The Australian is just joining in with all the other Australian media and censoring - or self-censoring those issues which they find too controversial to consider.

So they do the work of the government, of the zionist lobby, of all the other right wing reactionaries with which this country is currently overloaded.

Just listen to Downer today on David Hicks - see what I mean???

]]> By: Aaron Lane http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69892 Aaron Lane Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:03:09 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69892 Well, he isn't being censored, as The Australian is under no obligation to publish anything. If I demand that Antony publish an opinion piece I write on his blog and he refuses, does that qualify as censorship? No. It's his blog. Let him do what he likes with it. Antony's piece on blogging was rubbish, by the way. One of the accusations he levelled against the msm was partisanship; his article was hardly a unbiased, sober account of the blogosphere, however. Still, The Australian shouldn't have commissioned the article if the weren't going to publish it. Well, he isn’t being censored, as The Australian is under no obligation to publish anything. If I demand that Antony publish an opinion piece I write on his blog and he refuses, does that qualify as censorship? No. It’s his blog. Let him do what he likes with it.
Antony’s piece on blogging was rubbish, by the way. One of the accusations he levelled against the msm was partisanship; his article was hardly a unbiased, sober account of the blogosphere, however.
Still, The Australian shouldn’t have commissioned the article if the weren’t going to publish it.

]]> By: Polywise http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69821 Polywise Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:17:08 +0000 http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/01/31/the-debate-the-oz-doesnt-want-to-have/#comment-69821 "and therefore I clearly didn’t respect the Murdoch organ" Do you think Wendy Deng respects the Murdoch organ? So many jokes, so little time. “and therefore I clearly didn’t respect the Murdoch organ”

Do you think Wendy Deng respects the Murdoch organ?

So many jokes, so little time.

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