The strangest paradox of Israel has been the contradiction between its obsession with military superiority while still maintaining a canard of vulnerability and victimhood.
Reports of Israel using unconventional and chemical weapons in the occupied territories are nothing new, but new reports suggest a far more sinister class of weapon being tested by Israel on their favorite targets.
Habas Al-Wahid, head of the emergency centre at the Shuhada Al-Aqsa Hospital in Gaza city told the journalists that the legs of the injured were sliced from their bodies “as if a saw was used to cut through the bone.” But there was no evidence of ordinary metal shrapnel in or near the wounds.
At Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, Juma Saka said that on examination of the wounds, the doctors had found a powder on the victim’s bodies and in their internal organs. Afterwards they removed the microscopic particles which turned out to be carbon and tungsten.
“The powder was like microscopic shrapnel, and this is likely what caused the injuries,” Saka said. Complicating the issue was the death of many patients several days afterwards, although they appeared to recover initially. Accusations that Israel is using Gaza and its inhabitants as a laboratory to test new military weapons, have been made from several quarters.
It defies credibility when Israel’s apologists repeatedly justify Israel’s actions on the grounds of preventing café’s and pizza bars being targeted by suicide bombers, yet condone the use of such macabre and insidious weapons.
Yet, after Olmert’s recent suggestions that 1000 well directed Tomahawk cruise missiles might halt Iran’s non existent nuclear weapons program, you can’t help but wonder if Israel’s leadership is most comfortable when discussing war and oppression.
You are doing wonders for your own credibility when you take Palestinian reports completely at face value, despite a long history of making completely false claims about Israeli weaponry and tactics with a totally straight face to a gullible media. Jenin “massacre” anyone?
Keep it up and you too might land yourself a gig on the ABC!
For added effect, don’t forget the poison bananas of death.
Come on Andre, why don’t you talk about the Palestinians secret weapon - exploding 16 year olds. Or AIDS infected blood being packed into suicide bombs. By posting stories like this on his blog, you are doing a service to Antony’s credibility that nobody in the Jewish community could possibly imagine. Keep it up. Do some research on your favourite
anti-semiticerr. anti-zionist websites into how Jews make Matzo using the blood of Christian Children.There’s also the one about Mossad prostitutes infecting Arabs with AIDS. There’s actually dozens of them, they’re all great and entirely believeable. Of course.
Judging by your reaction BenZ, it seems I hit a nerve, which only adds credibility to these reports.
FYI, the Palestinian claims have been backed up by an Italian documentary, but you would have known that if you’d bothered to read the second link.
The sad fact is that it is Israel who has the deplorable track record of denial until they are subsequently found out and later forced to confess to their crimes.
Need I remind you of how Israel were busted over the attacked the UN compound in Qana(that first time) and how were it not for Robert Fisk receiving a videotape from a guilt ridden IDF soldier, their denials woudl have held up?
Need I remind you about the fact that Israel dropped 70% of the cluster bombs on Souther Lebanon after they agreed to a ceasefire with Lebanon?
Thanks for proving my point about the futility of suicide bombing missions and your pathetic attempt at trying to equate the losses in Israel with those in the occupied territories.
Let’s see.
You echo a lie, I get upset about that lie so you become convinced such lies add credibility?
Andre, don’t forget about all those other special weapons the Israeli’s produce: The Melons of Death!!
Andre,
Speaking of adding credibility to your report, lets consider some of the sources you have linked to.
Firstly, there’s “Globalresearch.ca” - a site which can include amongst its other ’scoops’, article suggesting the US Government, not Osama bin Laden, was responsible for 9/11. You’re off to a great start Andre.
Not to be outdone, you then link to Al-Jazeera. A non-biased source about news from Israel if there ever were one. What’s the matter? Couldn’t find a relevant article on the Hamas Newswire?
Finally, for the crescendo, you link to “mparent7777.blogspot.com” which in turn did link to a dubious Palestinian news source. mparent7777.blogspot.com has previously also suggested Israelis were right behind 9/11. See: http://mparent7777.blogspot.com/2007/02/high-fivers-more-proof-israelis-were.html for more from a site you chose to use as a reference. How’s your credibility going so far Andre?
Impressive Andre, impressive.
Of course as you say, you must be onto something if I am upset about it and that can only add credibility right? Perhaps you can test that theory by quoting a few verses from Mein Kamp. Then, when I and others get pissed off about it, you can enjoy the added credibility such feelings give you. If that’s you really believe credibility is earned.
The most lethal weapon of all against the Palestinians? Other Palestinians!
Benz
I wouldn’t bother with Andre anymore. I caught him out just plain copy and pasting plagiarizing from some “Palestinian” woman’s blog.
BenZ,
That’s quite an effort son, however, based on your thesis, no news source in world would have any credibility.
As usual, with nothing at your disposal to counter what has been reported, your only recourse is to flame the messenger. You stopped short of trying to trash the Christian Science Monitor, The Guardian and Robert Fisks article from the Independent, because slinging mud only gets you so far.
As to your mparent7777.blogspot.com link re 9/11, you reveal your penchant for misrepresentation. The article says nothing about Israel being behind 9/11/ In fact, you’ll be uninterested to know that it was Fox News ( a bastion of anti-Israeli sentiment - NOT) that actually broke this story, with the now infamous exclusive by Carl Cameron.
For a more up to date report on that subject, Christopher Ketcham wrote an extensive piece on the subject, based on main stream news reports and interviews with the actual arresting officers.
How’s that credibility going so far BenZ?
As for the “Globalresearch.ca” article suggesting the US Government, not Osama bin Laden, was responsible for 9/11, woul dyou care to link to it? You have already demonstrated that your comprehension skills are suspect, so I would be curious to read it myself.
Dylan,
Yes that was very funny. Almost as amusing as BenZ’s theory about suicide bombers packing Aids infected blood into their suicide vests, as though that were not the ultimate example of futility.
I have just responded, and my message awaits moderation.
Terrific.
I assume my earlier comment was quarantined for containing a couple of links. That was why I didn’t embed them in my earlier comment.
What a crummy blogging system.
Of course the wonderful irony is that the comment also stated:
[Clicks submit, wondering if anyone will ever see this comment]
For added context, a previous comment which went into moderation was subseqeuently deleted by Antony.
See: http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/04/18/the-surge-grows/#respond
Wonderful hypocricy for a man who built his reputation on the false pretense he was censored for his views.
BenZ,
I have no idea why your post is awaiting moderation, but I have read it and indeed, you have demonstrated your lack of comprehension yet again. I have included your post below for others to read it.
There is nothing controversial about the “Globalresearch.ca” link you provided. The reason why 82% of Americans don’t accept the official 911 narrative is because there are so many holes in the official story.
There is ample evidence to support the theory that Bush knew where Bin Laden was before and after 911. In fact, Sy Hersh reported in Jan 2002 that the US had not only allowed Bin Laden to get away when he was cornered in Tora Bora, but allowed senior AQ members to fly away to Pakistan via Kunduz. The significant issue being that this was US controlled air space, and was the most scrutinized airspace in the world at the time.
The bulk of the article cites official sources from CBS and asks glaring questions about the official narrative. Needless to say, the article does not even suggest that the US government was behind 911 and that Bin Laden was not. Yet again, you exhibit the inability to read what’s being reported, with your mind constructing something entirely different.
BenZ, you poor chap – you’re really having a hard time coming to grips with this topic aren’t you? Has it not occurred to you that the Ant’s appearance was pre-recorded? All I can do is shake my head when I read you mate.
Any luck with the Fox News story on the 5 Israelis who were arrested the morning of 911?
Your post below:
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Wow. You really are as clueless as I suspected.
Here you go.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060909&articleId=3194
I didn’t link earlier as I don’t want to trip whatever it is on this site that causes my messages to go into moderation. Your good friend Antony refuses to publish them. Ever. Must be that slow Cuban Internet right?
This from a person that doesn’t know how to use an apostrophe?
I’m unclear what it is that you are referring to, however if you meant your comments here you will see from the last comment, mine, that I am still waiting for you to point me to what you are actually talking about. You were convinced that Antony was miraculously celebrating Passover night in NYC at the same time as he was appearing on the ABC here (and virtually every other Jewish person in Australia was at home with their families). Was that all of it Andre?
“Fishing expedition” is a term used by lawyers to describe the practice of throwing all manner of tangential material at the opposing side in a court case in the hope they will lose focus and stray away from their strongest argument. I fear that is what is happening here.
It’s interesting how reports can’t be accepted straight from Palestinians. The racism underlying this is incredible. There’s a presumption that they cannot be trusted, and this ties in well with the overall vilification of Palestinians or Arabs as grubby and nihilistic, hell bent on Israel’s destruction.
If this latest report of alleged use by Israel of experimental weapons in occupied Palestine were the first of its kind it would be easier to dismiss. That it is an open secret among those who matter that Israel (or the US) routinely tests experimental weapons in the OPT should make us take these most recent allegations very seriously. You have to remember that billions is spent on weapons research and development and the OPT offer American manufacturers an excellent opportunity to test their new wares in real combat situations.
One example that comes to mind is the experimental heavy tank Israel was seeking to sell to Japan. Japan was set to purchase them until one of the tanks was destroyed during an invasion of the OPT. There were numerous reports of Israel using white phospherous during its invasion of Lebanon, and Israeli authorities did not try particularly hard to deny the claims. Part of the ceasefire arrangement brokered during the Church of the Nativity siege in 2000 was the return of some advanced Israeli machine guns which were captured by Palestinian fighters.
If you visit the OPT you see the daily dehumanisation and humiliation of Palestinians by Israeli soldiers, police and settlers. So total is the contempt for Palestinian life it is not hard to contemplate that weapons experimentation continues to occur. Do not of course also forget that Israel has kidnapped thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese, some of who are never seen again. Only God knows what happens to them. I wonder whether Israel tests the latest interrogation techniques its or the US’s scientists have developed?
Iqbal
People like you do not help the situation when you air garbage like this
How on earth is Ben being “racist?” You people really do nobody any favours when you carry on like this.
And it’s probably not hard to “contemplate” that Jews are the sons of Pigs and Monkeys. That is, if you believe the daily propaganda emanating from Arab media and Mosques. As much as it may suit your one-eyed world view, it simply doesn’t make it any more believable. Sorry.
Plenty of such examples here: http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=15
Andre,
I am disappointed you reposted my originally quarantined comments with your own editorial embedded within. It is already difficult to have a rational debate with people who choose to believe conspiracy theories and are completely bigoted. However it becomes impossible when my responses are stifled by a half-arsed blogging system as is the case here.
The fact you have the ability to read and presumably approve such comments also calls into question your own credibility as you have previously claimed it was entirely up to Antony. His credibility and attitudes toward dissenting comment are legendary. However yours is left shattered by everything that’s happened on this page. I don’t expect you to believe me, but then again I do know the sort of sites you do choose to accept at face value, so I’m not really concerned.
Viva,
BenZ’s opening statement speaks for itself:
Would you have us believe that BenZ would object to taking Israeli reports at face value?
BenZ,
You need to get a grip mate. I didn’t embed my comments in your post - It was included un-doctored at the end.
The reason you’re having a difficult time engaging is a rational debate, is because you have such a poor understanding of the facts. The links you provided were originally reported by mainstream news sources and Pulitzer prize journalists in the US. You know you’re scraping the barrel when events that you want to dismiss as so called “conspiracy theories” are broken as exclusive news items on far right sources like Fox News.
You are shown the all too familiar signs of paranoia, which invariably go hand in hand with someone who has already lost the debate. I have no control over what is or is not moderated, but I can access comments that are awaiting moderation. I cut and pasted your post as an act of courtesy and you demonstrated you gratitude by accusing me of lying. No good deed goes unpunished.
As for “His credibility and attitudes toward dissenting comment” being legendary, I suggest you try posting dissenting views on some right wing blogs, that require registration and see how long you last.
May I suggest you learn to read your links before using them blindly in your post. You claimed that one of them denied Bin Laden was responsible for 911, when it made no such statements. All you have demonstrated by them is that your comprehension skills are severely lacking, not to mention your ignorance of current affairs.
Bloggers have every right to control what comments are left on their blogs. Their blog, their rules.
However, unlike these “right wing” bloggers you refer to, Antony Loewenstein has established his career on the pretense that his opinions were censored by the Jewish Community because they were unpopular. As such, whereas some bloggers censoring comments can be seen as annoying, for Loewenstein to do it, makes him a total hypocrite. Particularly so given that his fundamental claim, to have been censored is itself a complete sham when one looks at the amount of publicity he has received for a first-time book with sales of fewer than a single week’s TV Guide.
As for accusing me of being loose with facts, I might just let that one go through to the keeper considering you get yours from Antony.
Uh huh.
Two words Andre: “Argud Olmert”.
http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/05/01/when-amateurs-get-invoved-in-wars/
Game over.
BenZ,
It is my guess that comments that are flagged for moderation are triggered by certain keywords, though I am not sure of the criteria. Like I mentioned before, this is to prevent trolls from running amock while no one is looking.
Nonetheless, that is a far cry from being banned as is the case on other blogs. In fact, I have looked through the logs of comments made over the past few weeks, and there don’t appear to be any that are awaiting moderation.
I wonder who BenZ really is. He seems to have the same complaints about Antony as the right wing Jewish organisations. Word for word. Perhaps he ought to come clean on which one he belongs to instead of throwing accusations at everyone else.
Who are you really BenZ?
That is because you (or more likely Antony) have simply ‘moderated’ them out of existence.
For example, I had a comment at:
http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2007/04/18/the-surge-grows/#respond which has suffered this fate. It is deleted. Gone. Censored.
The difference between being “banned” versus simply not having your first and/or subsequent comments ever published on the site, is a semantic one. The bottom line is, Antony has stifled dissent on his own blog, making him a hypocrite of note.
Actually, “Gottcha” it’s not merely “right wing Jewish organisations” who have complaints about Antony. Many left-wing organistaions, Jewish people who are not affiliated with any organisations and even numerous non-Jewish commentators have also recognised that Antony’s writing is full of errors, demonstrates a visible hostility and a looseness with facts and seldom presents a workable solution. They also note how painfully it is written.
I belong to many, many organisations within the Jewish Community and outside of it. Religious, educational, political, welfare, social. This is not uncommon within the community either. There are a diverse range of groups, opinions and politics. This is visible if one takes even a cursory glance at the Australian Jewish News. Unfortunately, doing so doesn’t fit in with Loewenstein’s narrative that the Jewish community stifles dissent. The reality, is that has never sought to be a member of any of these groups and try standing for election. He knows he hasn’t got the numbers as his views are so extreme and as such instead tries to claim he’s the victim of bullying. From whom? Mrs Goldberg? Puhleese…
You may continue to blame some vast right-wing conspiracy but the reality is a lot more simple: Antony’s views reflect less than 1% of mainstream Jewish opinion. This is very easily verified by looking at the number of signatures he received for his IAJV petition, which wasn’t even half of his own goal of 1000. He gives himself far too much credit.
BenZ,
Feel free to repost your comment, but if your post disappeared, it is much more likely because of a glitch when you submitted. If it is blocked again, let me know and I will be happy to submit it on your behalf.
There have been other posters who made more confrontational posts to this blog that were not blocked or deleted.
That aside, it’s no one’s fault but your own that your arguments are so easily dissected. Spitting the dummy when you don’t get your way doesn’t make you more credible mate. Similarly, merely repeating the canard that Ant stifles dissent is not going to make it a reality. As for Ant’s view and his efforts, if they are so discredited and insignificant in your opinion, then why do you invest so much time on this blog?
BenZ you clearly need to find a job. It is not healthy to spend this much time posting comments on progressive blogs. But thank you for the link. It categorically refutes the reality of the past 60 years of occupation. I’ve heard the internet is an amazing thing, but your research skills are up there with the best mate.
PS: why do people like you and Viva never have a blog or post with a real name?
PPS: actually don’t answer that, I think I already know why.
Rubbish.
There have been a number of quite civil posts which simply disagreed with Antony’s viewpoint. They were never allowed through.
“Iqbal Khaldun” asks
One might ask the same thing about “Andre” but then, one might not be bothered. I’m not really interested in anybody’s choice of posting name, merely their choice of posting truth or bullshit. On too many occasions Andre and Antony have opted for the latter, convinced it’s the truth.
Benz,
Never allowed through? How do you know? Can you prove this?
Why so bitter BenZ? This blog is intended to provide a forum for discussion. If you think we are wrong, then by all means, present your argument. Thus far, you are spending a great deal of energy NOT discussing the topics at hand.