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		<title>By: But, why, how you dare challenge Israel? &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>But, why, how you dare challenge Israel? &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recently wrote an article for Crikey that dared to suggest that Israel&#8217;s behaviour in Palestine was outrageous, Douglas Kirsner, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Antony,

Your fault Antony, well one among many, is that you don't inject into every sentence something to the effect that "Hamas are terrorists intent on the destruction of Isreal."

This seems to be necessary as once this phrase is encountered all bets are off and moral reflection of one's actions can be suspended.  At least that is what it appears to me.

Isreal is like a spoilt and stupid child who when repeatedly caught in the act can only respond 'but Hamas are terrorists intent on the destruction of Isreal."

The obvious corollary of this is that Isreal abandons all accountability for its actions because 'Hamas are terrorists.....".  Well, you get the drift.

It's true, Hamas is a terrorist organisation.    We fully expect Isreal to defend herself, but pure denial of any complicity in creating the conditions that give rise to terrorism is self-defeating.  Occupation and denying electricity to citizens are unjustifiable, fuggedaboutit.

I find it hard to fathom that a race/religion/culture that so desperately prides itself on and values 'intelligence' is so collectively stupid and deliberately ignorant.  

But not being a jew I am neither allowed to think this or type it, which is why you are necessary.

Shalom to the substantial number of jews for whom peace and coexistence is a goal worth giving up something for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Antony,</p>
<p>Your fault Antony, well one among many, is that you don&#8217;t inject into every sentence something to the effect that &#8220;Hamas are terrorists intent on the destruction of Isreal.&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems to be necessary as once this phrase is encountered all bets are off and moral reflection of one&#8217;s actions can be suspended.  At least that is what it appears to me.</p>
<p>Isreal is like a spoilt and stupid child who when repeatedly caught in the act can only respond &#8216;but Hamas are terrorists intent on the destruction of Isreal.&#8221;</p>
<p>The obvious corollary of this is that Isreal abandons all accountability for its actions because &#8216;Hamas are terrorists&#8230;..&#8221;.  Well, you get the drift.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, Hamas is a terrorist organisation.    We fully expect Isreal to defend herself, but pure denial of any complicity in creating the conditions that give rise to terrorism is self-defeating.  Occupation and denying electricity to citizens are unjustifiable, fuggedaboutit.</p>
<p>I find it hard to fathom that a race/religion/culture that so desperately prides itself on and values &#8216;intelligence&#8217; is so collectively stupid and deliberately ignorant.  </p>
<p>But not being a jew I am neither allowed to think this or type it, which is why you are necessary.</p>
<p>Shalom to the substantial number of jews for whom peace and coexistence is a goal worth giving up something for.</p>
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		<title>By: John K</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antony, I say your post then the Prof. I'm surprised he didn't call you a 'self hating' Jew... 

If you read Ha'aretz online, it's amazing the debate that's allowed to go on within Israel yet, in the US &#38; Australia, the same debates just aren't tolerated at all. Why is that I wonder ? What makes Jew's in other countries other than Israel so hyper sensitive ? It never ceases to amaze me the preciousness that envelopes constructive debate in Western countries by Jews. He says, "Mr Loewenstein tries to present the Jewish community as a monolith in which the sinister "Jewish leaders" permit no debate. This is a bizarre caricature. There are many vibrant debates in the Australian Jewish community about how the Middle East problems can be solved." In what media in Oz does this take place, or is this behind closed doors for Jews only permitted to discuss. 

And then this puff, "Jews vote mainly in response to local issues, not international ones" So why is it that ECAJ in Oz have been caught out 'heavying' local politicians for remarks that put Israel in an unsatisfactory light ? btw, Mr Kirsner mentioned the 'jewish community' 9 times ! How about the Australian community instead ?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antony, I say your post then the Prof. I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t call you a &#8217;self hating&#8217; Jew&#8230; </p>
<p>If you read Ha&#8217;aretz online, it&#8217;s amazing the debate that&#8217;s allowed to go on within Israel yet, in the US &amp; Australia, the same debates just aren&#8217;t tolerated at all. Why is that I wonder ? What makes Jew&#8217;s in other countries other than Israel so hyper sensitive ? It never ceases to amaze me the preciousness that envelopes constructive debate in Western countries by Jews. He says, &#8220;Mr Loewenstein tries to present the Jewish community as a monolith in which the sinister &#8220;Jewish leaders&#8221; permit no debate. This is a bizarre caricature. There are many vibrant debates in the Australian Jewish community about how the Middle East problems can be solved.&#8221; In what media in Oz does this take place, or is this behind closed doors for Jews only permitted to discuss. </p>
<p>And then this puff, &#8220;Jews vote mainly in response to local issues, not international ones&#8221; So why is it that ECAJ in Oz have been caught out &#8216;heavying&#8217; local politicians for remarks that put Israel in an unsatisfactory light ? btw, Mr Kirsner mentioned the &#8216;jewish community&#8217; 9 times ! How about the Australian community instead ?!</p>
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		<title>By: Ozbearion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozbearion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do love Israel, we really do, the way we love our teenage children - we just wish they would grow up and move out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do love Israel, we really do, the way we love our teenage children - we just wish they would grow up and move out!</p>
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		<title>By: mallee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mallee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up to 11th September 2001 I believed the mass media and supported the United Sates of Israel.
Now, after intensive due enquiry I do not believe and do not support. I also don't like fundamental muslims much either. Indeed. Australia should have nothing to do with hate, hostility or biggotry anywhere North of the equator, let them all sink in their hatred and greed. Anyone in Australia interested in the Middle East matter or wanting to take sides should take it up North. Do not involve or endanger Australians in arguments or involvement in miserable interpretations of silly religious biblical nonsense, (I mean oil) Suckers of the bankers and war industries should p#** off,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up to 11th September 2001 I believed the mass media and supported the United Sates of Israel.<br />
Now, after intensive due enquiry I do not believe and do not support. I also don&#8217;t like fundamental muslims much either. Indeed. Australia should have nothing to do with hate, hostility or biggotry anywhere North of the equator, let them all sink in their hatred and greed. Anyone in Australia interested in the Middle East matter or wanting to take sides should take it up North. Do not involve or endanger Australians in arguments or involvement in miserable interpretations of silly religious biblical nonsense, (I mean oil) Suckers of the bankers and war industries should p#** off,</p>
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