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So much anti-Semitism, what can we do?

The Australian government is determined to ban “terrorist” literature and other problematic material:

The nation’s attorneys-general will consider banning books that praise terrorism and placing fresh restrictions on reality shows like Big Brother when they meet tomorrow.

The federal Attorney-General, Philip Ruddock, has placed these proposals on the agenda following the uproar over the “turkey slapping” incident on Big Brother this month and after only two of eight “hate” books he submitted to the Classification Review Board were banned a fortnight ago.

Mr Ruddock has told his state and territory colleagues the difficulty of banning the books shows that present classification codes “may not provide sufficiently clear guidance” at a time when “there has been community outrage at inflammatory and aggressive incitements to violent acts of terrorism contained in some material”.

I wonder if the government plans to ban propaganda issued by the Israeli and US governments that may praise the murder of Palestinian and Arab “terrorists.” And has the government not heard of the internet? Banning printed material is about as useful as outlawing prostitution.

The Howard government loves ranting about media “bias” and “anti-Western” viewpoints. Santo Santoro, a Queensland Liberal MP and Minister for Aging, has given a speech to the B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation Commission. The ADC used to be dedicated to fighting the far-right in Australia but has now become a particularly ineffective group in the Zionist lobby.

Santoro’s talk, “Truth and Representation: media bias and the threat to democracy”, alleges that the Australian media is pro-terrorist, anti-Semitic and anti-Western. In his worldview, Robert Fisk shouldn’t be interviewed on the national broadcaster. Why?

Merely a week ago, Fran Kelly, the presenter of ABC Radio National’s Breakfast program, chose to interview Robert Fisk on the events in the Middle East. Mr Fisk, she said, is a much praised and award winning journalist. And indeed he is – for he has received praise from no less a judge of character than Osama bin Laden himself, who, in a videotaped message on the eve of the 2004 presidential election in the U.S., commended Fisk by name for his incisive and “neutral” reporting. Did Ms Kelly disclose any of this? Obviously not.

As an aside at this point, I would like to quote the same Mr Fisk from an opinion column in The Canberra Times last week. In it, he quotes – without challenge or question – terrorist leader Sayed Hassan Nasrallah claiming that in its rocket attacks on Israel “Hezbollah originally wished to confine all casualties to the military”. Fisk then goes on to criticise the – quote – “cruelty of Israel’s response” – unquote – to those unprovoked and deadly attacks. It’s no wonder that he attracts rave reviews from Osama bin Laden!

Ipso facto, Fisk is a terrorist. Next time I speak to him, I must remember to ask whether he needs a refresher course at the local terrorist training camp.

Unsurprisingly, Santoro accuses the ABC of anti-Semitism:

The Prime Minister John Howard decisively attempted to stop the rot on the AM program on July 14th when he was asked, and I quote: “Has Israel gone too far?” Mr Howard asked the reporter why the question must always be couched in terms of what Israel has done wrong and whether it should be condemned. He was, of course, appalled by the loss of life on both sides of the conflict. But – and to quote again – the Prime Minister said “the assumption that it was started by Israel in this particular instance is wrong”.

That the Prime Minister should feel the need to highlight to a reporter the skewed nature of the question he was being asked is indicative of a deeply-ingrained culture – a reflex anti-Semitism – in parts of the media. Such questions betray a belief that Israel is always at fault and has no right to defend itself in any way against attacks from terrorists such as Hezbollah.

To say that this is outrageous, and a disgrace, is an understatement.

Read the whole thing and discover one of the shining lights of the Australian conservative movement.

32 comments ↪
  • Addamo_01

    Nutters like Santoro inadvertently create the perfect cmaouflage for anti-Semitism, by diffusing it's relevance or meaning.

    When you spread something broadly, it's bound to leave a very thin layer.

    What an idiot.

  • nasking

    Santoro is just another lackey of a Government that kowtows & works for Corporations who benefit from the chaos in the Middle East…as they conjoin w/ X-treme Zionists (as opposed to decent, moderate Israelites) who con their nation into policing the region in order to dampen down dissidents & resistance to the domination of corrupt regimes such as the House of Saud & Torture Camp Egypt.

    The price of oil, flowering of the nuclear, security & armaments industries are major indicators of the primary determinants behind this so called 'war on terrorism'.

    Santoro is just another 'faux' voice in this era of the Murdoch/Packer dumbing down. It's eyes wide shut for much of the population as they sit transfixed by banal entertainment & celebrity. Remind you of any past empires?

    Keep up the dissenting voice Antony…eventually the rational, common-sense, well informed opinion of the likes of you & Fisk might catch on. The war mongering types who hold sway in Government in this tragic era will eventually be revealed for the BS merchants they are…tho i'm sure their benefactors will have propped them up in a cosy job & mansion by then so they may eventually retire to happy sociopath land.

    I'm cynical at the best of times. And have good reason to be if one looks at the state of world affairs today…do we learn freaking nothing! I guess i now understand why Peter Costello is using worker's hard-earned tax dollars to motivate under-educated girls to have tons of children…the wee, future customers will be provided w/ few steps on the ladder of opportunity to gain a decent education…& consequently resort to using the mainstream media to learn…perpetuating the same dumbing down effect we witness today…potential warriors of the future propagandised to hate the Corporate Media constructed next 'common enemy'…& faithfully vote for the 'fear monger'…all hail Peter Costello!

    Sigh.

  • Roonaldo

    The propaganda machine is working overtime at the moment. Have a look at Mark Steyn's piece in The Australian today. It is full of hatred and venom, but this sentence stands out.

    "There haven't been any Zionists anywhere near Damascus in 60 years and Syria is, in effect, Iran's first Sunni Arab prison bitch".

    What kind of person writes this garbage? What kind of Editor thinks it is fit to print in a national newspaper?

  • Addamo_01

    Funny,

    Seeing as Syria is also a prison bitch to the US, along with Jordan.

  • captain

    nasking: I think you left your tinfoil hat at home.

  • nasking

    Captain, I think you need to leave your naivete & rose coloured glasses at the bottom of the garden & wake up to the reality of political manipulation by Corporations, industry, dynasties & religious organisations that benefit from their sick alliances. Wars & events are often constructed to benefit the few. To not understand the implicit relationship between politicians & lobby groups & benefactors demonstrates analytical ignorance & poor reading of History. As the events unfold the picture will become clearer & 'tinfoil hat' comments will drift into obscurity as they deserve to…just another diversionary tactic in the era of the 'dumbing down'.

  • M.Mayes

    the era of the ‘dumbing down’.

    ah the memories, you should all listen to Bill Hicks for a good laugh, fair bit of his material was about or related to 'Dumbing Down'.

    "go back to bed america, your government is in control, here's 58 channels of american gladiator, remember to drink beer and get stupid"

  • Captain

    nasking, between you and Adam, it seems that we have been infiltrated by neo-Marxist conspiratorialists. Before we just had dumb jihadi antisemites. This is disturbing.

    I can tell by yours and Adam's (not adumbo, he is just a twit) writing style that you are dangerous people. Unabomber like.

    But giving you the benefit of the doubt, surely you do feel obliged to fix up this corrupt system. No doubt something dramatic? Perhaps replace it with a utopian something or other? Then again maybe you just prefer your tin foil hat.

  • Nice one, Captain. You started with a cliche and ended with infantile (facile?) abuse. Back to the group think blog, big fella.

  • Addamo_01

    Captain sees the wold as perfection as it is. Why change it? Other than maybe making Israel the size of China maybe.

  • Captain

    addumbo, there are not enough Jews for that. They earlier generations of Jew haters saw to that. It is your fantasy that Jews want an Israel the size of china. That way you can justify your hatred.

    leftvegdrunk, let nasking answer for himself. His comments are creepy and I was not abusive.

  • Addamo_01

    Hatred? What's that got to do with hatred? You're the one who is holding the killing of woimen and children up as some utopia, not me.

    BTW Captain.

    By what legal authority can the army of one state order the civilians of another sovereign state out of their homes?

  • nasking

    Captain, it seems to me you're wearing the tinfoil hat…you sound like the ever paranoid & abusive Anne Coulter…or Piers Ackermann from the smear merchant rag Daily Telegraph. As a pacifist born & bred the idea of using any type of violence as a means to an end I find abhorrent…your comments are low & typical of late of the defenders of Israel's over-reaction to the Hezbollah mini-incursion (which I might add was a disgraceful act of aggression on Hezbollah's part & certainly deserved a measured but swift response from the Israelis…certainly the Israeli people have a right to defend themselves against missile attacks & so on…but this over-reaction looks suspiciously like a part of a plan to draw Syria & Iran into the conflict (tho I might add they are already surreptisiously involved by supporting & supplying Hezbollah w/ arms & intelligence) & continue the Neo-Con & Post-Straussian's goals/vision as outlined in the Project for a New American Century: http://www.newamericancentury.org/).

    What frustrates me is this perpetuation via the mainstream media that we have 'fair & balanced' news & live in 'lucky' Democracies when it's pretty obvious that most tax payers are not being represented adequately as Corporations (Fossil Fuel Co's, Arms Makers, Automobile makers, Fast Food etc…)& dynasties (Bush, Murdoch, Packer, Kennedy etc)…have enormous influence over the construction & implimentation of Government policy & by way of alliance & corrupting of politicians & the media, ensure that we too often head in a War mongering, fear-oriented direction rather than using our valuable assets, resources, vast knowledge, common-sense, empathy & diplomacy to solve Global problems.

    Certainly there are fanatics in all movements & sides of politics who resort to violence to try & achieve their ends…but such actions lead to vendettas (see 'Munich') & establishment of corrupt & easily blackmailed regimes…& often & unforgivably, casualties…whether they be human or other species.

    In my opinion debate & discussion is invaluable for the process of empowerment & learning the diversity of culture so that swords are sheathed & a cup of mead etc. is drunk in understanding & treaty. Unfortunately, we seem of late to have a number of individuals & groups in society who are determined to destroy the so called 'common enemy' at all costs…now, that's paranoia…& very sad.

    So having outlined my view on violence, you'll excuse me for lifting a finger your way in tandem w/ an ironic smile as a response to your outrageous assumptions/comment.

  • Captain

    For all of your pseudo eloquence, there remain serious non sequiters. The conspiracies of companies, churches and clans is completely irrelevant to Israel. If Israel wanted to draw Syria into a conflict they could have done so at any time. It is expressedly their view that they do not want a war with Syria and that Iran is the world's problem, not just Israels.

    You see 'Munich' as a vendetta? Oh you must have watch the hollywood movie rather than gone to the funerals of the Israeli athletes.

    The fundamental problem is that when you talk about a swift response (according to your arbitrary moral standards), you seem to forget that they continue to rearm. Iran continues with its deceptive nuclear plans and together with Hamas they all have the stated aim of destroying all Jewish presence there. Usually by way of the sea. So what is disproportionate to this sentiment and their kidnapping and murdering?

    Can war be so precise there are no civilian casualties? Could the world chastise Hezbollah into fighting in front of their women than behind them? Could the UN please pass another 50 critical resolutions about Israel? Have they learned anything from the League of Nations.

    Frankly Israel and the Jewish world have always had to take seriously when people state they are going to kill you. In this case they tried and they are being punished. And how do you fight an army that believes that dying is some kind of religious objective?

  • Adam

    go nasking you sort captain out.

  • M.Mayes

    If Israel wanted to draw Syria into a conflict they could have done so at any time.

    but not done so and still been able to hold the "moral high ground" that they want the world to think they have.

    Iran continues with its deceptive nuclear plans

    deceptive by US standards, its interesting that so many countries are allowed to have the bomb, but only with US approval.

    So what is disproportionate to this sentiment and their kidnapping and murdering?

    as nasking and plenty of others have said Israel certainly has a right to defend itself against attacks, it does not have a right however to kill hundreds of civilians of a country that, as a country, did nothing to prompt the attack, now as much as i dont like the idea of a ground invasion i think if the IDF is well disciplined if they stopped fighting from 30 000 feet up in the air then perhaps their response might have been more proportionate

    Israel constantly says it tries to avoid civilian casualty at all cost, but they cant tell from 30,000 feet up how many fucken civilians are in the area, their tactics are pathetic and disproportionate.

    Could the world chastise Hezbollah into fighting in front of their women than behind them?

    again i say it, could Israel be chastised into fighting on the ground where there targets are much clearer thus reducing the casualties they keep saying are unfortunate

    Frankly Israel and the Jewish world have always had to take seriously when people state they are going to kill you.

    Hezbollah dont have the means (nor do any of their enemies) to kill all israeli's, if anything Iran might someday have the ability but then why attack hezbollah in lebanon, why not directly invade Iran (or are they waiting for the US to do that so again they can take the moral high ground).

    And how do you fight an army that believes that dying is some kind of religious objective?

    every religion places value in death, that our lives now are a path to the afterlife if we do what we as a people (religion) are supposed to do.

    they are not afraid to die for what they believe in, its that simple, I'm sure Israel's soldiers feel exactly the same way, they will fight to the death for their country, mind you I'll point out again that Zionists invented modern terrorism.

  • Addamo

    It is expressedly their view that they do not want a war with Syria and that Iran is the world’s problem, not just Israels.

    Translation: Israel expects the US to take care of Iran for them.

    Oh you must have watch the hollywood movie rather than gone to the funerals of the Israeli athletes.

    Because it's only a tragedy when Israelis die. Arabs totally enjoy the ride when they die.

    you seem to forget that they continue to rearm.

    Which is totally unacceptable. No country should be allowed to be in a position to deter Israel from invading. Meanwhile Israel just took delivery of 40 F-16I fighters from the US.

    Iran continues with its deceptive nuclear plans and together with Hamas they all have the stated aim of destroying all Jewish presence there.

    Poor Captain. Always creating stories out of thin air. Of course, there is no evidence of any nuclear weapons program in Iran and even Israel admits that it would be 5-10 years away even if Iran were working on one. this is just a pretext to create a conflict with Iran, just like the gross over reaction to two Israeli soldiers being arrested.

    So what is disproportionate to this sentiment and their kidnapping and murdering?

    After all, Israel does it so much better and more efficiently.

    Can war be so precise there are no civilian casualties?

    How about we start by not targeting them? Israel has shown no regard for civilian casualties and threat like setting Lebanon back 20 years, are proof that civilian casualties are seen as entirely acceptable by Israel.

    Could the world chastise Hezbollah into fighting in front of their women than behind them?

    It has done. But no mention is made of the act that Israel love to use it cool news toys given to it by the US at every opportunity. Using Abrahms tanks, F-16's and Apache helicopters against people throwing rocks is hardly a fair fight now is it?

    Could the UN please pass another 50 critical resolutions about Israel? Have they learned anything from the League of Nations.

    What has Israel learned? that is can flout 60 Un resolutions without any regard to consequence, and that they can count on their poodle at the UN to veto any more resolutions.

    In this case they tried and they are being punished. And how do you fight an army that believes that dying is some kind of religious objective?

    they are being punished for daring to resist Israel's wishes and for being Arab. Even if you use Israel’s calculus to equate 1 Israeli life with the lives of ten Arabs, what Hezbollah and Hamas have done is insignificant compared to the violence and butchery that Israel has unleashed.

  • Addamo

    Speaking of the UN, it is interesting how Israel gets away with bombing them repeatedly.

    George Bush thoguh that by painting a spy plane in Un colours and flying it ove Iraq to try and get Saddam to shoot it down would provide a strong reason to invade, yet if Israel were to do it, well, that's just an understandabel mistake right?

  • nasking

    Interesting, your arguments remind me of the certitude & arrogance expressed by Benjamin Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon & their ilk. Leaders who mix rational thought w/ moments of intense bitterness & hatred…& a touch of OCD…taking the “many eyes for an eye” approach in conflicts (similar to the Roman Empire at its giddying heights after crossing the Rubicon & interfering in the politics & culture of other lands in order to gain resources, cheap labour & dampen possible incursions.

    Paranoid & fear-driven individuals looking for any excuse to take pre-emptive strikes on their enemy, w/ little regard to preserving the lives of innocents…heroes to those who live in a perpetual state of fear & paranoia…who seek to control every aspect of life, those who inevitably fail in doing so because life is inherently chaotic, unpredictable & such brutal actions, no matter how they justify them lead to further inflaming of the situation. Paralleled by the actions of the Iranian & Syrian regimes & organizations/occupation resistance groups/militias/terrorists/freedom fighters (choose your label based on whose boots you walk in) such as Hamas & Hezbollah.

    How different is the rhetoric from any of these protagonists as they clash & spiral their theatre & regions into blood soaked maelstrom…anger & fear leads to harsh condemnation of one another, threats to eliminate the State of Israel (primarily bluster & catering to a political base me thinks when it comes to Iran’s sociopathic leader) responded to by vicious retorts such as ‘Hezbollah will be eliminated’ & so on…& considering Hezbollah is made up of more than permanent militiamen but also connected to families & like Hamas plays a dual role as ‘military wing’ & ‘community service provider’ then it must be assumed that the Israeli army & leadership intend to destroy both fighters & civilians & in so doing so are threatening as many people’s lives as they unfortunately are being threatened themselves.

    To ignore the implicit relationship between America’s energy needs & Israel’s military build up is equal to constructing a jigsaw & leaving out essential pieces.

    Wherein Iran & Syria are in all probability propping up & egging on Hezbollah for various self-interests…including attempting to divert the World’s angst-ridden gaze from Iran’s nuclear ambitions…Israel I’m sure has been used as a pseudo-police force in the Middle East to ensure the security of the West’s Arab allies & their oil…interesting how the Sunni nations such as Saudi Arabia have criticized Hezbollah’s actions, worried perhaps of the growth of the ‘Red (Shiite) Crescent…afraid perhaps they’ll get a calling card as Kuwait once did.

    It seems an utter shame that once Iran was moving towards the reformists the Neo-Cons & Bush puppet decide to antagonize & refer to them as part of ‘an axis of evil’…creating fear & mayhem & insecurity in that nation & inevitably leading to a growth in Islamic fervour as a knee-jerk response…convenient, wouldn’t you say, considering the requirement for the war mongers in the Bush admin. to construct ‘common enemies’ in order to perpetuate further fear in the masses, justify increases in military & armament spending utilizing tax payers money whilst reducing the tax burden of their wealthy mates & families…who coincidentally…NOT!…own shares in Companies & mutual funds that benefit from this urgent spending of Gov’t. revenue. Interesting that Pakistan, trader in nuclear technology & parts & whose territory has also been used for terrorist training wasn’t painted w/ the same brush. Curiouser & curiouser.

    In regard to Corporations & some of their associated dynasties, well these are hard core capitalists, always willing to play games & construct situations in order to gain profits, assets, control over resources…’greed is good’…& if the Middle East happens to fall into a state of chaos, markets unnerved, the price of oil skyrockets, arms dealers sell goods frenetically w/ a shit-arsed grin, whilst the guilty & the innocent alike are thrown into private gulags & prisons that flourish with pharmaceuticals & catered food that’s stuffed down ‘enemy combatant throats’…well obviously to these mighty pretenders & protectors of the ‘free’ but hardly ‘fair’ market, all is good & the cups do overflow. The shipments of arms to Israel must be a market boon for the Rumsfeld mates of this world.

    As for ‘Munich’, I well remember that tragic incident, the funerals of those poor, unfortunates…I can fully sympathise w/ their families & any who have died in this dreadful struggle to create & defend the legitimate State of Israel. Certainly the execution of the planners & perpetrators of this foul crime can appear valid to many bystanders when one ignores the background & history of the situation…in fact there is no justification for this form of revenge, nor can the killers of the Israeli athletes be provided w/ justification by apologists.

    Murder is murder. Murder & terrorism often lead to revengeful acts…it is the truly wise, patient & tolerant, the enlightened who hold off on the instinct for terrible retribution & use other forms of civil justice & rehabilitation & forgiveness that lead us down the path of sanity & hope. I’m not a Christian, nor do I follow any theology, yet I become frustrated when so often I hear pre-emptive strike, vendetta-oriented Christians citing/quoting the Bible as justification for their abhorrent actions, & in turn ignoring the essential message of their icon, Christ…’forgiveness is paramount’, turning the other cheek takes courage…I’m not sure I could do it…but it should be the aim of all humans who desire peace…& it seems to me that whenever this attitude flourishes in the Middle East, peace & prosperity join it.

    I understand the frustration of a citizenry who feel as though they are constantly under attack…on all sides…but until the major players have the sense to call upon an independent mediator & reject the carrion call of the ‘opportunists’ & ‘money comes from chaos’ merchants & attempt to negotiate a peace treaty – as they almost succeeded doing w/ Clinton as the mediator – the many innocent & brave people of these numerous races, tribes, sects & States will be used as cannon fodder in a sick & twisted political/economic & religious game. Time for the ‘good’ in Mankind to awaken & take hold before the self-fulfilling prophecies of the fanatics & sociopaths becomes a reality.

  • Captain

    understand the frustration of a citizenry who feel as though they are constantly under attack

    They don't feel anything of the kind. They actually are under attack constantly.

    Paranoid & fear-driven individuals looking for any excuse to take pre-emptive strikes on their enemy

    And also the fact that Iran and Syria have given tens of thousands of missiles to a groups whose explicit aim is to destroy all of Israel.

    It seems an utter shame that once Iran was moving towards the reformists the Neo-Cons & Bush puppet decide to antagonize & refer to them as part of ‘an axis of evil’

    Of course Bush has no mind of his own and has always be played by his Jewish …er neocon masters.

    And by the way, how amazing that by calling a despotic totalitarian regime that lies constantly (and admits doing so) part of an axis of evil, it suddenly became evil. Obviously they must have been called this some time earlier to have sponsored the killing of hundreds of Americans and Israelis through their terrorist proxies. But of course it is Americas fault they are like this. Can you explain that again, Tin man?

    The shipments of arms to Israel must be a market boon for the Rumsfeld mates of this world.

    Not to mention the damage to the Israeli bunker suppliers who were really hoping that this may have gone on indefinitely. It is the bunker provision economy that is really driving the war, not oil. Surely you understand this powerful conspiracy?

    Certainly the execution of the planners & perpetrators of this foul crime can appear valid to many bystanders when one ignores the background & history of the situation

    Nice rationalisation of their terror campaign. How understand you are of the perpetrators and how superficial your engagement with the victims. Terrorists should be understood, not punished. Because of course murdering athletes must be rational at some level. The only irrationality of course would be wanting to kill the perpetrators. You could only reach this conclusion if you were a) ignorant and b) ignoring the background and history of the situation.

    nasking, you sound like you are a failed arts major from a second class uni somewhere. Your discussion is very theoretical. Have you even been to Israel? I ask this because if you had, I doubt you would be crapping on endless about what you understand of people's frustration. Your use of "OCD" also shows a completely superficial understanding of what this is. Even as an analogy.

  • Addamo_01

    They don’t feel anything of the kind. They actually are under attack constantly.

    That's what Hitler used to tell his people too. Worked too.

    And also the fact that Iran and Syria have given tens of thousands of missiles to a groups whose explicit aim is to destroy all of Israel

    If their explicit aim was to destroy Israel, then why have they waited so long? Actually, groups likw Hezbollah carry M-16 guns to, so does that mean the US supplied them?

    Of course Bush has no mind of his own and has always be played by his Jewish …er neocon masters.

    Anyone who knows anything about Bush accepts that he was an ignoramus when he came to office. Bush didn’t even know where most Middle East countries were on the map. He didn’t know who most of the prominent world leaders were. He has been describes as an empty vessel foreign policy wise, waiting to be filled.

    And by the way, how amazing that by calling a despotic totalitarian regime that lies constantly (and admits doing so) part of an axis of evil, it suddenly became evil.

    In 2003 Iran offered to stop it's nuclear program entirely and also to recognize Israel, but Rumsfeld and Cheney saw to it that this was ignored. And what does Captain do? Blame Iran.

    This is even after the US overthrew Iran government in 1952, installed a despotic leader (who Captain probably loved because he liked Israel) and backed Iraq in their war with Iran, which was started by Iraq killing 1 million people.

    Then of course, the US shoots down an Iranian plane in 1986 killing 290 Iranians.

    What did the Iranians do to the US al the while? Nothing. They even handed over the hostages back unharmed.

    After all that, the US turns around and calls Iran an evil regime.

  • orang

    Roonaldo quotes, ihatemuslims@marksteyn.com

    “There haven’t been any Zionists anywhere near Damascus in 60 years and Syria is, in effect, Iran’s first Sunni Arab prison bitch”.

    The poison dwarf has been mad at muslims ever since he got fucked up the arse by one who told him he was a whore and don't call me anymore you cheap syphyltic slut.

  • M.Mayes

    But of course it is Americas fault they are like this. Can you explain that again, Tin man?

    well actually if it werent for western antagonisation and occupation of the middle eastern territories there would be no such thing as middle eastern terrorism. mind you as i've said before it was zionists who invented modern terrorism to begin with.

  • M.Mayes

    And also the fact that Iran and Syria have given tens of thousands of missiles to a groups whose explicit aim is to destroy all of Israel.

    as opposed to america and other western countries giving their FAR SUPERIOR weapons to israel who readily use them in what i think someone summed up pretty well before "many eyes for an eye" attacks on arabs

    what was your point again captain?

  • nasking

    Captain, how strange you should find my comments dangerous…i guess looking at the wider picture & expressing it in public could be dangerous for those who have colluded to pull the wool over the masses eyes. Your selectivity regarding my comments gets me thinking you must work for the media…perhaps a journalist scanning thru the blogs & distorting blogger's comments/opinions, finding topics to discuss in a rag perhaps? Or maybe a hired gun/dobber, part of the great Right-Wing conspiracy?…bwahahaha…sorry Captain but your 'unabomber' & 'dangerous' comments just sound plain silly…

    I realise that debating you is pointless, you are obviously biased & in lockstep w/ a specific POV & consequently will manipulate & distort anything I write, selectivity to fit your agenda…I've said my piece on this issue. Take what you will from it.

    as for the 'failed arts major' comment…yer right…how perceptive…I'm a uni dropout who went on to make billions & now spend my life surfing the net antagonising Right-Wingers w/ extreme views…whilst constructing major bridges & spaceships in my sparetime…& using my tinfoil hat to contact aliens, the ultimate saviours of our planet…& use a time machine to adjust events…in fact, I'm Dr. Who!!!…bwahahaha…sorry Captain, but yer wrong on all counts to date. Touche.

  • Captain

    So now you are deluded with a Richard Branson complex.

  • Addamo_01

    Captain, how strange you should find my comments dangerous

    Spoken by someone who evidently considers freedom of speech dangerous also. Henry Kissinger described Daniel Elsberg, as teh most dangrous man in the. Why? Becasue he was a threat to the establishment.

  • nasking

    Kudos to Addamo & M. Mayes…the truth is out there!…ironic that this 'tinman', as labelled so kindly by Captain, should resort to using this cliche phrase, but hey it works…:)

    And upon reflection I feel compelled to respond to the following:

    >>Of course Bush has no mind of his own and has always be played by his Jewish …er neocon masters.

    Zionist Xstremists, not your average Jew boo boo.This is one fella who aint an anti-semite & who does believe in the legitimacy of the state of Israel…& if you had endeavoured to pore over my comments in detail rather than plucking out the odd sentence to distort the context (sure you ain't a reporter or current affairs commentator?…cause you've got the gift) you would realise that you are dealing w/ a pacifist & social democrat w/ green tendencies who hates observing the masses fall prey to the propagandic, Goebbels style BS that is being handed out by the likes of News Ltd & their associates & reluctant allies.

    >>Nice rationalisation of their terror campaign.

    Yep, 'Murder is murder' is a hell of a rationalisation.

    >>Have you even been to Israel? I ask this because if you had, I doubt you would be crapping on endless about what you understand of people’s frustration. Your use of “OCD” also shows a completely superficial understanding of what this is. Even as an analogy.

    Nope, but I've been to the former Yugoslavia, & visited India during a terror campaign, & lived in London & surrounds during the IRA bombings & still went about my life w/out calling for the British soldiers to bomb the bejesus out of Northern Ireland…never voted for Maggie T. just in case she decided to do a Falklands on our neighbours…always knew that diplomacy & courage & some more than half-hearted effort by polis & their religious allies would help bring the temperature down & create more hope than fear. And that the right type of corporations would dominate oneday…make computers, not arms!!!! And yes, I'm one of them evil 'dual citizens' who puts the fear & chill into all knee-jerk radio jocks. I only come out on Halloween night or for free firework's displays.

    And yes, every time I see on TV an Israeli or an Arab or those from any other nation die during this blasted war my heart bleeds for them…I feel sick & angry w/ each individual who has caused this eventuality…& I know that each side must be terrified…& most hope for an end to this crap…& yes, i'm sure many a young Islamic feels compelled, is often brainwashed to charge their enemy & blow up as many of their supporters or family as possible for retribution or to free their land or to demonstrate the extent of their frustration & anger w/ being used as the whipping boys…or being treated worse than a dog…& so on.

    And I see & feel for Israeli lads & the odd gal bravely racing into battle to rightly defend their families, homeland against indiscriminate & criminal bombings, to display their frustration w/ Islamics who they feel are backstabbing, ingracious, hate mongering fools cause they don't appreciate when the Israeli army pulls out of occupied territories & even humiliates some of its own people in order to reverse some of the settlement expansions.

    I'm sure you could come up w/ more reasons why the Israelis should be angry enuff to destroy Hezbollah, Hamas & bomb the crap out of Lebanon, & hit ambulances, UN Peacekeeper stations, fleeing citizens & so on. Blood lust always has its justifiers. Every side is right & fights w/ God on their side.

    But in the end it's diplomacy that will prevail…sound heads & pragmatic treaties…& all the flared tempers in the world can't tell me otherwise. If this wasn't the case we wouldn't be here today. The Japanese would have built up their economy again…remilitarised & eventually hit back at the US in retribution for those post-surrender A-bombs…but lucky for us, saner minds & hearts have prevailled to date.

    How's that for theory. Perhaps you'd prefer I whistled Yankee Doodle Dandy?..wrapped myself in the flag & made vague xenophobic utterances, regurgitated the crap on Current Affairs TV & knelt before the monuments to 'Great Men of History' & howled long live Nationalism!…?

    How easily people forget the lessons of Fascism & its grotesque bedmate National Socialism (NAZIs)…how ironic that some of its tragic victims gave birth to some/few in Israel (some, few, being the optimal words)who emulate the repulsive behaviours that were used against their families or fellow citizens. Like the unfortunate child who is beaten & raped by an alcoholic & in turn directs its trauma outwards & reproduces similar behaviour. The same can be said for many an Arab who fell victim to tyrants such as Saddaam as witnessed by the civil war today.

    Healing is required. Sooner than later. For everyone's sake!

    Well argued people. And Captain, I give you a B for perseverance, a C- for soundness of argument & an A for passion. Let's just say on this issue it's highly likely that 'never the twain shall meet'. But there's always hope. I am not your enemy. Just an opinionator, debater & critic on occassion…all part of freedom of speech. Right?

  • Captain

    Again comparing Jews to Nazis. The sin qua non of antisemitism. Sadly you do not see Nazism in Islamofascism. Here the latter share almost of the core values of the former. Do you, like Chamberlain before you, think you can merely negotiate with such creatures, whose raisen detre is the eradication of Jews? What possible common ground could you establish?

    Its curious that almost none of you here have even been to the region. Ant himself, the self declared middle east expert has been once, last year!! What a laugh. I think this is why some of the arguments are more suited to a transitional undergraduate technical school than reality. You are like virgins arguing about the best sexual positions.

    It was not until both Egypt and Jordan were soundly defeated that peace was possible. Both of these countries were fierce opponents of Israel, but it was on nationalistic grounds. The newer campaigns are more akin to Nazism as they are spiritual and only tangentially associated with territorial issues.

    Israel is not fighting Hezbollah as an act of anger. This is a naive understanding. No country would allow hundred of rockets, kidnappings and murders. Their theology is not your theology. In their system, civilian deaths are embraced. This is why your identification with their issues is a form of western paternalism. You care more about them than they do.

    You are also wrong about fighting with God on our side when it comes to Israel. Most Israelis are not religious at all. It is purely an issue of survival. And one that has been intergenerational.

  • orang

    "How easily people forget the lessons of Fascism …" from nasking..

    Where the excesses of Fascism is immediately reminiscent of the current Israeli regime, from the arial (oops nearly said Ariel) bombings of civilians, incessant propaganda, to calculated and cynical tormenting of pupulations, torture, cold methodical murder…

    Brings from Captain,

    "Do you, like Chamberlain before you, think you can merely negotiate with such creatures".

    Oh, I see the Hezbollah/Palis/Arabs are the Fascists – and you shouldn't even try negotiating with them. Well they do swear to drive Israel into the Sea. Well not all of them – but the Iranian president does and that's good enough for us – this means everybody. Pretty evil stuff I reckon. Deserves a couple of Cluster Bombs into the Primary school of the Islamofascists just for thinking about it. Negotiate? Non! Never!

  • M.Mayes

    Again comparing Jews to Nazis. The sin qua non of antisemitism. Sadly you do not see Nazism in Islamofascism.

    not sure where you get your delusions from there captain, Islamofacism is ripe with Nazi parallels but so is Israel's foreign policy.

  • M.Mayes

    Well done captain, I take back what I said about you not being able to form rational arguement.

    Israel is not fighting Hezbollah as an act of anger. This is a naive understanding. No country would allow hundred of rockets, kidnappings and murders.

    Given the history of the region I find it hard to believe that there would be no element of anger on part of Israel. However understandably Israel is trying to stop violence against it.

    You have to consider however that Israel is ever trying to expand itself at the cost of the Arabs and they can harp on about trying to stop violent organisations such as Hezbollah, but their expansion is just inciting more violence and is essentially an attack on the arab worth hiden behind a non-aggressive facade.