Back in February, cartoonist Michael Leunig was caught in the middle of a hoax when one of his controversial cartoons was submitted to an Iranian newspaper competition seeking work about the Jewish Holocaust.
In response to the competition, a group of Israelis started their own competition - open to Jews only - and called for artwork. One of the organisers, Amitai Sandy, explained:
“We’ll show the world we can do the best, sharpest, most offensive Jew hating cartoons ever published! No Iranian will beat us on our home turf!”
The whole enterprise was clearly tongue-in-cheek, an attempt to gross-out the Iranians. Some of the submissions are humorous, though probably in questionable taste. I recently discovered, however, that somebody had fraudulently submitted a work under my name (actually “Anthony Loewenstein.”)
This Leunig cartoon had been changed, and the Israeli flag placed in the middle of the image. In other words, the figures were goose-stepping to the Israeli flag. The website was made aware of the hoax and the image has now been removed.
It was yet another attempt at smearing me because of my criticisms of the official Middle East paradigm. Such deliberate tactics are both pathetic and counter-productive.
When immoral people have no rational arguments - or are incapable of making them - they must resort to smears or violence in their attempt to ‘win’. The paradox of course is that it merely highlights the fact that they are immoral and the defenders of what they themselves must regard as rationally indefensible - which only serves to undermine their position even further.
Yes, Edward you have explained the palestinian propaganda machine’s problems quite eloquently.
Its funny hearing a white supremacists talk about “morality”. Thanks Edward for trying.
Yers Captain,
It’s hardly surprising that you would be one to appreciate the fine art of misrepresenting or defrauding the arguments of those you disagree with.
The mere fact that you don’t even know what a white supremacist is is a tad concerning. Let’s hope you never come acorss one.
Addamo Mar 19th, 2006 at 12:49 am
Exactly. The absolutely perfect irony is that captain’s comment is yet another example of exactly what I was referring to: when someone has no rational arguments or is incapable of making any, he resorts to smears.
What amazes me is that he was so blind to the fact that he was walking headlong into such obvious self-condemnation. One likes to think it is a blind of blindness generated by ideology, but alas, I think it is merely the fact that captain is so intellectually immature.
I don’t see, from the post, that cap appreciated anything. He did state that Squiures was a white supremist (while I have no idea whether or not Squires is white nor have I seen where he states he is anything beyond mediocre)
But he did compliment Squires on his explanation of the some Palestinian’s propaganda efforts. I guess paying compliments is a worthless gesture here.
Edward,
I knwo what you mean, but then again, Captain has a habbit of making these self depricating arguments. Only recently he was argyuing that freedom of speech included the right to suppress the expression of others.
I still can’t decide if Captain chose his sig tag out of dellusion or to convey a irony. Given hsi propesntiy to score own goals, I would hope it was the latter.
Chris,
Rather misplaced, don’t you think, that an alledge white supremacist like Edward, should argue the case for Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East, as well as indigenous people’s of Indonesia? Perhaps Catpain never understood the meaning of such a charge.
I don’t know why white supremists do what they do. The analysis of white supremists is not my field.
Just as nuclear technology is not your field.
Actually just about everything appears to be outside your field Chris, which is why you use the terms “it appears” to mask your ignorance.
I gotta ask Chris, I’m sure everyone else here is dying to know, just what exactly is your ‘field’?
And Addamo, I disagree, ‘appears’ is used not to mask ignorance but to avoid accountability.
As Addamo doesn’t really seem to know anything, it is not unreasonable for his to not know the meaning of many terms.
I’m sure no one is dying to know my field. My field has to do with the supervision of row boats, among other things of like nature. And yours?
Yes I’m sure we are all fascinated to know what your experitse is Chris, especially given your propensity to dismiss people’s opions, expert and otherwise, as irrelevant or inconsequential.
It is rather amusing for a row boat supervisor considers himself qualified to denigrade my career as a nuclear engineer.
You are right about Chris avoiding accountability, though I suspect he prefers to remain ignorant.
Yes, it is humorous. But after your utter failure during the ‘dirty’ bomb discussion, no one can take what you say seriously. It is fairly certain you are just a secretary who read what your boss told you to write, but didn’t understand much.
Chris,
Seeing as a dirty bombs is pretty much theoretical at this stage, my guesses at the time are as relevant as anyone elses.
Tell me, does supervising row boats require any qualification beyong being able to read and write? Did you even finish high school?
Except to someone familiar with nuclear technology, which you clearly are not. Good thing you know how to type.
There are no educational requirements stated for the supervision of row boats. You are, however, required to know how to row.
Yes, I did finish high school. Is that one of your ambitions?
Seeing as you asked, my field is Video Post Production.
The reason I ask you, though, and the reason I think everyone here would be dying to know is that you discount yourself from discussing white supremacists and their motives because they are ‘not your field’. If you consider your field to be row boat supervision then what are you doing engaging in any of these discussions at all?
Chris Mar 19th, 2006 at 3:07 am
Actually, you’ve never seen me state that either.
I don’t discount myself from discussing them, but I do from analyzing them; It is not my field.
And I still have not read anything from Squires where he states he is anything beyond mediocre.
And my field is not row boat supervision, but it does involves row boat supervision. Surely your giant intelect knows the difference, does it not?
You really should stick to row boat supervision Chirs and leave these debates to grown ups.
I think Captian and Chris both work for the Israelis Propaganda Dept, either that or they are both believe white is black and Israel can do no wrong,In spite of evidence to the contary
Right-o. Distinctions between discussion and anaylsis. Gotchya. I’ll keep that in mind the next time you’re analysing something during one of these discussions. If analysing why a certain group does something makes it one’s field, then Arab and Muslim culture must be your field (though I struggle to see how that involves rowboat supervision). After all, you’ve often spoken of why Muslims do this or why Arabs do that.
The point I’m making is this: with a few notable exceptions, the topics we discuss aren’t any of our fields. It’s no reason to discount someone else’s opinion and it’s a weak excuse to back out of a discussion. You don’t want to discuss white supremacists and their motives? That’s cool, just say so. Don’t pretend you’re not qualified because it’s ‘not your field’, none of us are really qualified to discuss any of this because it’s not any of our fields (again with a few exceptions of course).
If that’s truly the way you see things, you’d better show some credentials or stay out of these discussions.
Good point Steve,
This is especialy true when it come to Chri’s propensity to dismiss other people’s opinipons as irrelevant. In one case, a poster relayed their experience of witnessing Vilence inthe occupied territories (IDF inflicted on Palestinians) and his experience of the way Pelestinians in genera were treated. Chris dismissed this as irrelevant seeing as the poster was not aware of “all the facts”.
This is just pertulant bullshit and childidhsness.
John Ryan Mar 19th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
If they do, they should be sacked immediately. Their bloody hopeless!
Chris Mar 19th, 2006 at 3:42 pm
Oh, Chrissy, Chrissy, Chrissy. I heaven’t read anything from you which states you are anything beyond a baby-killer … but so what?
Now I’ll let you get back to your boat watching, train collecting and the shotgun polishing.
Indeed, you haven’t. No evidence of such either, but you and mediocrity seem to have a link.
Yes, I do watch boats. Just a side benefit though. Nothing about trains and there are others who polish the shot guns, I just inspect them every couple of months.
Whatever Addamo was about, it was obvious that the nature of the discussion showed the fellow’s evidence was superficial. He admitted total ignorance, as well as indifference, to the entire situation, and on the basis of what he witnissed over a short period of time, now knoew what was going on.
Which seems to be Addamo’s method of learning new things. What a blissful life Addamo must lead. I assume he thinks he has some imaginary degree based on typing reports.
Chris,
Yo uever noticed how you demand facts and evidence form other, dismiss it wneh it is provided as irtrelevant and continue to make baselss adn meaningless argumments. You should wear a mask when you clean the gunk of those boats. You seem t be inghalin some contageon that is frying your ability to think clearly or reason.
That has not been noticed. But your penchant for making things up, providing false facts, blaming your lies (but they can’t be lies, you didn’t know they were untrue) on a faulty mental facility, has been noticed.
I don’t clean the boats, but I do inspect them for cleanliness about once a week. Waste of time, it seems, the boys do take pride in their work and their boats.
You were kind enoguh to provde the link that showed where I got the informatin othat ISrael attacked the USS LIberty to prevent the US finding out abotu the 6 day war. It was in fact fromJames Bramford, who it turns out write that the attack was to prevetn the US finsing out about the attack on Syria, which had not taken place yet.
So you see Chris, I didn’t make it up or lie. I got th detaisl fo the attack ohn Syria confused with the commencement of the 6 day war.
“I don’t clean the boats, but I do inspect them for cleanliness about once a week.”
So you are effectively unemployed then?
You did make it up. Or you’re a mental basket case. The fact seems to be that you know very little of the history or of the current status of the situation.
Unemployed? No, part of my job is to inspect the boats, among other things.
But one with your mental capacities easily makes the leap from fact to fantasy.
Among other things soch as what exactly? Clean the bathrooms?
Obviously your plans for a uni education never worked out. Never mind.
I made nothing up. I got my informatino from James Bramford. You provided the Haaratz article link remember?
Plans for a uni education? I don’t know what a uni is.
Yes, you made it up. Just like you make other things up. Based on your faulty knowledge level, it appears you made up your previous career. Deny all you’d like but the proof is there.
Chris Mar 19th, 2006 at 11:57 pm
Well of course there is a link - I’m linked to your good self through this website. (It’s clear you don’t even understand your own jokes flung back at you.)
But enough of the boring insults. What do you think of the attempt to smear A.L. with the cartoon? Don’t you think if the psycho-Zionists had some actual arguments they would deploy them instead of going for the lame-arse tacky smear option? Don’t it make you think, “Well, they don’t seem to have anything else in the arsenal, otherwise they’d use it”?
Edward
Exactly, which is the same thing the AJN tried to do by smearing Fisk. They failed to address the substance of what Fis said that evening, preferring to focus on what Fisk really meant vs wha he actualyl said with regard to the link between 911 and US/Israeli relations.
If you have nothign to back up your case, simply invent a straw man and then argue with him.
Squires, I think your reply strengthed the link between you and mediocrity. You don’t really think time should be spent insulting you, do you? Are you that important or meaningful?
I’m wondering why Addamo is sucking up. On your payroll?
It realy get;s up your arse doesn’t it Chris, when people who disagree with you agree with one another. Tehre can be no logic to it, therefore it’s all part of he anti-Jewish conspiracy.
I find it funny how you suck up to who you think are your betters. I’m just wondering why.
Why are you making things up again? reality to tame for you?
Chris,
Another thing your atrophied brain seem to be struggling with, the difference between agreeing with someone and cuking up to them.
Reality is my domain Chris. You live int he world of “it appears”and “it would seem”, populated by real and non-real people, nto to mention the voices in your head.
You are definately “cuking up to them”, no doubt about it.
Going on about your imaginary friends again?
And keep your petty insults at home.
Keep MY pety insutls at home, while you take yours out to play? No way Chris, you’re not having al the fun on your own here.
Do any of you have wage paying jobs ?
I know Edward is a lecturer at Western Sydney Uni and Addamo is a video or animation editor but my big problem with this blog is the anonymity of the contributors and their lack of accountability .
Some converstaions read like an argument in a school library between high IQ morons.
How many of you have lived outside Australia for more than 2 years , how many of you speak a foreign language , how many have lived in the middle east and speak arabic or hebrew ?
Where is the evidence of life experience that shows I should read more of the opinions expreswed here-in?
You make a good point BoredinHK. I, for one, do have a wage paying job. I also have absolutely no qualifications in the field of Middle East Politics, nor do I meet any of the qualifications that you have specified.
But I don’t think that I should let that stop me, or anyone else, from discussing these issues. Partly because I think good solutions can come from anyone with a questioning and inquisitive mind, even if they don’t have qualifiations. But more importantly because I would rather endorse unqualified discussion than resigned indifference. I would rather people think ‘I may not have qualifications, but I’ve read a bit about the subject and think it’s good to discuss it’, than ‘I’m not qualified, so I’m not even going to bother discussing it - I’m off to watch The Biggest Loser’.
There is certainly an issue of anonymity and accountability, but I don’t think a lack of recognisable qualification should make people feel they’re not fit to take part in these discussions.
‘I think Captian and Chris both work for the Israelis Propaganda Dept,’
They call them sayanim. Diaspora wingnuts who will do the dirty work defending the indefensible under assumed names; all for love, not money. You can almost admire them, but not quite.
The really funny thing is that the Jew haters here are the ones who are defending the indefensible.
Palestinians sending in rockets into Israel on a daily basis. Imagine the outcry if it were reversed. However here: silence. Because the intended victims are Jews.
Palestinians using ambulances to convey terrorists and weapons. Imagine if Israel did this? Here: no condemnation. Because the intended victims are Jews.
Palestinian terrorists hiding behind their women and children thus causing significant civilian casualties: Here: silence because the intended victims are Jews.
Palestinian mothers celebrating the death of the suicide bomber children: ditto
Palestinians electing Islamofascists who openly advocate the killing of Jews: ditto
What is condemned? Having a cartoon falsely submitted in Ant’s name. Glad to hear that you have a good grasp on the bigger picture. Ant probably did it himself for publicity for his long awaited and much publicised book.
boredinHk,
How do you know this about Addamo? He obviously lied about involvement in nuclear technology. As for Squires, how do you know about his profession?
Intereting how Stev admits that he has absolutely no credentials and as little knowledge in the field. Addamo is as qualified but won’t admit his mediocrity.
I’ll certainly admit that diplomacy, while a part of my job, is not my strong suit, but I am required to be up on this situation as well as others, at least on a conversational level.
Chris,
You’re doing a lousy job of hiding that huge chip on your shoulder. Evidently you’re an under achiever. That you have a career that is in fact, beneath mediocrity is your own doing, so stop taking it out on others.
You should learn to accept your limitations and not be bitter or jealous of those that have surpassed you in terms of carreer achievements. I’m sure you have certain quialities that are admirable. They just don’t appear to be all that obvious.
In the mean time, samve your pennies while you stil live at home with your parents. Oine day at a time Chris.
What chip? How so is my career mediocre? You have disdain for honest labor? You are a supremist? Is that what comes across in your posts?
Normally, supremists actually are little people with little intelect. I’m sure you fit that pattern.
Exactly what are my limitations? And why would I be jealous of those who have surpassed me? Haven’t they earned it? Or have you gotten by through creative lies and figure that’s the only way anyone else can? Your life must be very sad. How do you keep all your lies straight? After proving you know nothing about nuclear technology, will some one hre expose you regarding the fx story?
I do save my pennies, but I don’t live with my parents. Why would you say such a thing?
Chris,
You have just provided a perfect example of how prepared you are to denigrate others then turn on a dime and howl like a banshee when the same is done to you.
You were the fist to use the word mediocrity, were you not? Yet when the same is done to you, you squeal like a victim.
You were the first to denigrate other’s carries and opinions, were you not? Remember how I am just a wannabe lowly secretary who couldn’t type? You have no qualifications in science, let alone nuclear science, and yet you declare that you have somehow exposed me as a fraud. Who is the sad person here?
You are the first person to dismiss people’s opinions as irrelevant, of being meaningless or having no consequence when they conflict with yours. Such behavior is typical of someone with limited emotional maturity, therefore it is a likely assumption that you are the product of overly protective parents who have let you have your own way for most of your life.
If you don’t want to be treated like a child, then stop behaving like one.
carries was mean to read “careers”
I not aware of your qualifications to determine how anyone is treated.
And you are not aware of my qualifications. Nor are you aware of what qualifications are required for the supervision of ships.
However, all on this blog are aware that you probably do not know the first thing about Nuclear Technology. The isotope you suggested would be used in a ‘dirty’ bomb was so outside the field as to be ridiculous. Anyone aware of any nuclear technology would know even hinting at using such a substance would bring guffaws.
Yes, you are mediocre, at best. Since you stated you wrote reports in the field, and you clearly knew nothing about the firld, the only thing left, other to condemn you as a worthless liar, was to give you some measure of redemption and allow that you were a secretary in such a firm responsible for typing, but not understanding, such reports.
So much for your redemption.
You described yourself as a supervisor of row boats, not ships. Did that promotion come overnight?
How would you know? You are paid to watch row boats all day. You have no idea what hazards are involved in the handling of gamma isotopes, or he equipment that would be required to do so. Furthermore, dirty bombs are not manufactures wholesale. They can be made with whatever isotope is available at the time. I made that perfectly clear.
There is NOTHING stopping a terrorist from making a dirty bomb from uranium They will make it from whatever isotope they can get their hands on. If terrorists could get their hand on F-16 fighters would they not use them, or would they stick to using suicide attacks.
Not too bright are you?
How would you know? You are paid to watch row boats all day. You did a Google search and think you are suddenly an expert on the subject. Maybe your parents told you that you were a boy genius, but you are an idiot.
If you are aware of the hazards of inhaling uranium dust, you would not trivialize it’s lasting effects.
Once again your Napoleonic complex comes out. You are paid to watch boats and you call me mediocre? Sure Chris, whatever you say.
Wrong. I said I wrote reports. Nuclear engineers don’t spend time i the field. They move between offices and the nuclear facility. You are an ignoramus.
“and you clearly knew nothing about the field”
My job had nothing to do with dirty bombs. That is the only issue I was unclear on. You have no idea about my experience so you choose to make it up and pretend you are some self appointed expert.
How would you know? You are paid to watch row boats all day.
“the only thing left, other to condemn you as a worthless liar, was to give you some measure of redemption and allow that you were a secretary in such a firm responsible for typing, but not understanding, such reports.”
So you have gone from a lowly row boat supervisor to appointing yourself judge and jury. You evidently spend a lot of time daydreaming. It must be sad to have such a boring life that you have to live it through fantasizing about how important you could have amounted to something had you only had the education, or intellect to take advantage of it.
No promotion. You seem to have confused your powers of comprehension with what actually was written. Your comprehension does not alter the written word, no matter how much you fantasize. And I am not paid to merely watch row boats, which I do on occasion. Funny how you seem to feel that one’s occupation limits there knowledge. While there should be some knowledge level, which you lack, working in any nuclear field, that work itself should not limit what knowledge one gains. Your profession of ignorance regarding ‘dirty’ bombs is a confession of ignorance of nuclear technology.
I do know the hazards involved in handling isotopes and contaminated material. You do not. You are a liar. I am not.
What is it you do again? Watch boats right? Yeah, I would have chosen that profession too if I were mentally handicapped. Must be tough watching those boats in case they try to get away.
Interesting how Chris equates qualifications and credentials with knowledge. If it makes it easier for you to believe I have little knowledge in the field, then feel free to do so, but know that I do not ‘admit’ it, nor is it true.
And again hypocrisy abounds. By not admitting your own lack of qualifications, you are inferring that you are qualified. But neither will you tell us what those qualifications are. Unless you come out and show us some credentials, you are just as qualified, therefore just as knowledgable, therefore just as mediocre as the rest of us (although how you equate all of those things however is beyond me)
What’s your obsession with the word ‘mediocre’ by the way? Here, it might help make your posts a little more interesting to read.
Just trying that link again
Glad to see you do not admit your ignorance. Wouldn’t want to see that kind of lapse. But what Bored stated was that he saw a lack in something and you fairly admitted that you were lacking, but in spite of not having any qualification, your observance was as good as the next fellow, and it doesn’t work that way.
Part of my work, when not doing the mundane routine inspections, is to analyze certain issues and project planning based on those scenerios. There is good reason that I feel I might be better qualified to comment.
Why mediocre? Don’t you like the word? Doesn’t it describe certain trolls here?
As long as we’re speaking on behalf of Bored, I’m fairly sure he’s not referring to those kinds of extreme and weakly construed qualifications. After all, I’m in management, so I do exactly the same thing as you (ie analyse issues and plan projects to resolve those issues). Somehow I don’t think Bored was talking about those kinds of qualifications. The kinds of qualifications Bored seems to be referring to are those that neither of us have.
Unless you have some credentials hidden up your sleeve that, for some unknown reason, you refuse to reveal. Which is not completely impossible, you seem to have a habit of alluding to an ace in the hole which you refuse to play even when you’re down to your last chip.
So given that those aspects of our careers are not so dissimilar, perhaps you would like to have another shot at why you’re so much more qualified than me to discuss these issues?
I have no problem with the word, but like any word it tends to lose its meaning when it’s used over and over again.
The use of the term ‘mediocre, 6 or 7 times, is neither ossesive, not does it dilute its meaning. It just seems to be annoying to you, and reviewing your previous posts, there seems to be no reason to discontinue its use based on it being annoying to you.
That’s all you’ve got? Damn. And I was so hoping for you to pull a Doctorate in Middle Eastern Politics out of your ass.
a. Who said anything about obsessive?
2. perceived meaning is subjective, as is the dilution of said meaning
- I don’t find it annoying, I just think it’s uncreative. If you’re going to go around calling people names, at least come up with something fresh.
Stev
Mar 21st, 2006 at 9:38 am
What’s your obsession with the word ‘mediocre’ by the way?
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You should reread your posts before questioning what you, yourself, said.
I believe the moderator has mentioned to you not to call people names, creatively or otherwise. I suggest you heed his request.
You’re right, I should. But I stand by points 2 and -.
‘The moderator’? Do you mean Ant? Are you trying to sound obsequious? I don’t believe Ant has mentioned anything specifically to me about calling people names as I’ve not called people names. But I abide by the requests that have been directed to all here, namely civility. I don’t endorse calling people names. All I said was ‘if you’re going to call people names’ (which clearly you are) at least be creative about it so we can get some entertainment out of it.
As something subjective can not be called factual, perceived is the proper usage. That it is not creative enough for you is not something that anyone need be worried about.
Are you claiming that meaning is not subjective? Or that using a word over and over in no way dilutes its meaning? Or is it just ‘mediocre’ that’s immune to dilution of meaning? What exactly are you claiming here?
It’s not just that it’s not creative enough for me, it’s not at all creative. In no way can using the same word over and over again be construed as creative. But hey, if you don’t value creativity that’s cool with me. Each to their own I say.
I think it is your values which are not valued.
According to whom Chris? You assumign some position of authirity again? What ever leads you to believe that you speak for others?
Well said Addamo.
Chris, if everyone disagrees with me and nobody here (or in the world - it’s hard to tell just what group you’re claiming to speak for) values creativity in the least, then hey - that’s fine with me. I value what I value and, quite frankly, don’t give a fuck what other people make of my values. Just as I don’t give a fuck if you don’t value creativity.
That said, my values are valued. Just as your values are valued. There are enough people in the world that at least some of the values that any single person has are valued by somebody else.
But you should know that your response - reading my querying of what you value, and responding by making a blanket claim that basically amounts to ‘no one cares what you think’ is bordering on pathological. I doubt very much you’re going to read that and think ‘you know, you’re right’ and look at addressing your issues, but I had to say it anyway.
And it is clear that no one here “gives a fuck” what you think. Happy? By the way, your values are not valued.